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Re: new bike lanes on lyell (SF)

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From: Gregory Sutter
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:28
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On 2011-01-11, Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:
> On 2011-01-11, Gregory Sutter <gsutter@zer0.org> wrote:
>
> I'm less impressed with the striping between Still and Alemany for
> eastbound traffic.  What's a biker supposed to do when he hits the
> traffic jam that piles up at the Alemany traffic light?  The lanes are
> too narrow for a bike to squeeze through, the sidewalk is a busy
> pedestrian sidewalk, and turning onto Cayuga sticks you on Cayuga for a
> long time if you want to go southbound on Alemany.  The only option here
> is to dismount and use the sidewalk for that block.  Then again, what
> other options are there?  Making the counterflow lane narrower puts
> those bikers at risk instead.

I suppose the biker is supposed to wait in line with the cars until
the light turns green.  The lanes are marked with sharrows to
indicate this.  But I can tell by your route-around ideas that you're
not a fan of that. :) Neither am I, when it can be helped, but as you
said, there is no room to get by.

>>  - Even after all these street changes, there is still *no* good way
>> for a pedestrian to cross Bosworth anywhere east of the crosswalks
>> at Diamond, all the way down to the crosswalks at Alemany.  People
>> are constantly cutting across underneath the San Jose bridge, despite
>> the fast moving traffic coming down the hill and the parade of
>> evenly-spaced cars coming up from the two stop signs at Lyell and
>> Bosworth.  Why was a pedestrian crossing not considered?
>
> How would it be done, short of putting a traffic light at the Bosworth/
> Arlington/I-280 onramp intersections?  Not that that's a bad idea, but
> it probably wasn't part of the bike lane restriping funding.  A traffic
> light would help pedestrians crossing the on ramp, too; traffic turning
> onto the ramp is often crazy, and drivers often aren't looking for peds
> along the entire length of the crosswalk.

I agree with your assessment of the on-ramp traffic, but that
intersection's proximity to the already jammed Bosworth/Diamond
intersection would make the light timing difficult.

What I would do instead (or in addition) is to turn the
Bosworth/Bosworth/Lyell intersection into a normal three-way "tee"
intersection, with stop signs all directions and a full set of
crosswalks.  Removing parts of the traffic islands so that southbound
traffic can turn left from Bosworth-that-parallels-San-Jose onto
Lyell would go a long way toward unfucking that whole area.

-- 
Gregory S. Sutter                       "How do I read this file?"
mailto:gsutter@zer0.org                 "You uudecode it."
http://zer0.org/~gsutter/               "I I I decode it?"
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