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In article <higgy-A663EE.12205420102012@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
John Higdon  <higgy@kome.com> wrote:
>
>The panache of using having the same prefix in each of the Bay Area area 
>codes has just flown out the window in the south bay. If you don't dial 
>a '1' + area code in front of a number, starting today, your call will 
>bomb if you have a 408 number. This is, of course, completely 
>unnecessary from an hard core logistics point of view, but this is the 
>way our decaying telephonic infrastructure has decreed that it will be. 


I thought that once they decided to do an overlay rather than
splitting the existing 408 geographical area, the country code
was mandatory. But I don't program telco equipment, so maybe
I'm wrong. It seems odd, though, that they would have instituted 
an unpopular requirement if it hadn't been a technical necessity.

Or do you mean it was "unnecessary" because the area code splitting
option wouldn't have required it? If so, then you're not saying, 
"It was completely unnecessary," but rather, "It would have been 
unnecessary if they had chosen the option I preferred, but it became
necessary once they chose the other option." As someone who would 
have been a loser in the area code splitting lottery, I'm glad they 
chose this option.


Patty

John Higdon <higgy@kome.com> had written:
|  So much for "No area code needed, dial three sevens aaaand a one, two, 
|  three, four" or "join the discussion: dial 808-0810". 

The KCBS story on the subject this morning inexplicably failed to
mention the reason for requiring 11-digit dialing, namely, the 669
overlay. Is KCBS trying too hard to keep stories short? Yet there
was time for a sound effect at the start, kind of trite in this case.
I've always felt KCBS is capable of doing better than that, and
usually it does.
-- 
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:17:40 EDT, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com>
wrote:

>I thought that once they decided to do an overlay rather than
>splitting the existing 408 geographical area, the country code
>was mandatory. But I don't program telco equipment, so maybe
>I'm wrong. It seems odd, though, that they would have instituted 
>an unpopular requirement if it hadn't been a technical necessity.
>
In the Portland 503 Area Code Territory,  the 1+ is necessary only
outside the Metro Extended Dialing Area, which covers some areas
served by CenturyLink (ex-QWest, ex-USWest) and Frontier (ex-Verizon,
ex-GTE) as well as CLECs such as Comcast.  There is a 971 overlay as
well as 541 in other parts of the state.  IIRC no 1+ is necessary for
971 numbers in the Extended area but is necessary for 503, 971, and
541 numbers in the rest of the state.
---
Phil Kane
Beaverton, OR

In article <aegilaFp5m4U1@mid.individual.net>,
 Mark Roberts <markrobt+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

> The KCBS story on the subject this morning inexplicably failed to
> mention the reason for requiring 11-digit dialing, namely, the 669
> overlay. Is KCBS trying too hard to keep stories short? Yet there
> was time for a sound effect at the start, kind of trite in this case.
> I've always felt KCBS is capable of doing better than that, and
> usually it does.

I will be exceedingly impressed if any station (KCBS or otherwise) 
reveals that the requirement that everyone in the 408/669 area dial the 
area code on every call is an arbitrary bureaucratic dictate and not a 
technical necessity. There is absolutely no reason to change the dial 
plan at all. 

I'm sure the mere fact of the overlay is over the heads of any reporters 
in any Bay Area newsroom. Most of the time, the news we get is a poor 
rendition of the press handouts.

In any event, I'm not going to implement that silly eleven digit 
requirement on my system.

-- 
John Higdon
+1 775 253 3838

On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:17:51 EDT, Mark Roberts 
<markrobt+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> The KCBS story on the subject this morning inexplicably failed to
> mention the reason for requiring 11-digit dialing, namely, the 669
> overlay. Is KCBS trying too hard to keep stories short? Yet there
> was time for a sound effect at the start, kind of trite in this 
case.

We have an overlay here (234 onto 330), but it resulted in mandatory 
10 digit dialing, not 11 digit. 

In the world of cell phones, it is basically moot.

John Higdon <higgy@kome.com> had written:
|  In article <aegilaFp5m4U1@mid.individual.net>,
|   Mark Roberts <markrobt+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
| 
| > The KCBS story on the subject this morning inexplicably failed to
| > mention the reason for requiring 11-digit dialing, namely, the 669
| > overlay. Is KCBS trying too hard to keep stories short? Yet there
| > was time for a sound effect at the start, kind of trite in this case.
| > I've always felt KCBS is capable of doing better than that, and
| > usually it does.
| 
|  I will be exceedingly impressed if any station (KCBS or otherwise) 
|  reveals that the requirement that everyone in the 408/669 area dial the 
|  area code on every call is an arbitrary bureaucratic dictate and not a 
|  technical necessity. There is absolutely no reason to change the dial 
|  plan at all. 

I wouldn't expect any radio station to do that. Short-form radio
news just can't go into that much detail. I don't see it as
suitable for a long-form topic unless there is some larger issue
that it can be related to. That said, I would have expected a
sentence mentioning that the dialing requirement is
caused by the introduction of a new area code for the same
geographic area. For the purpose, there doesn't need to be much
more explanation than that.

Complaining about the "1" overlooks the fact that the full,
internationally compliant phone number for anywhere in the NANP
starts with "1". I'll leave that as an aside, because a full
discussion of dialing plans, and so on, really doesn't belong in
the ba.broadcast newsgroups.

It does mean "Three sevens and a 1-2-3-4" no longer applies in part
of the Bay Area. It doesn't affect the P/I spots that increasingly
seem to infest radio.

-- 
Mark Roberts - E-Mail address is valid but I don't use Google Groups
If you quote, please quote only relevant passages and not the whole article.

"Mark Roberts" <markrobt+usenet@gmail.com> wrote

> It does mean "Three sevens and a 1-2-3-4" no longer applies in part
> of the Bay Area. It doesn't affect the P/I spots that increasingly
> seem to infest radio.

The son is eventually going to need to give out the web URL.  I guess he's 
been reluctant to do so, given his dad's fame and all, but I'm kind of 
surprised because the son's vocal delivery is superior to his dad's, and, 
well, time moves on and people today prefer to use URLs and not talk to 
people until they actually want to buy anyway.

On 10/21/2012 12:42 PM, David Kaye wrote:
> "Mark Roberts" <markrobt+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> It does mean "Three sevens and a 1-2-3-4" no longer applies in part
>> of the Bay Area. It doesn't affect the P/I spots that increasingly
>> seem to infest radio.
>
> The son is eventually going to need to give out the web URL.  I guess he's
> been reluctant to do so, given his dad's fame and all, but I'm kind of
> surprised because the son's vocal delivery is superior to his dad's, and,
> well, time moves on and people today prefer to use URLs and not talk to
> people until they actually want to buy anyway.


These days they'd want to "Text to AROOF that's 27663!" or something.
Or "call **ROOF from any mobile phone."