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phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:

> In article <6R5qPe3w165w@mp.sbay.org> jane@mp.sbay.org (Mingjane Wu) writes:
>     >phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>     >
>     >>In article <dorfmanEt803z.1Ao@netcom.com> dorfman@netcom.com
>     >>(Merlin Dorfman)
>     >>>: "Multicultural education": The liberals' cure-all.
>     >>>
>     >>>Not a cure-all, but a big help in living in a country, and a
>     >>>world, where we need to interact with people from all
>     >>>cultures and backgrounds.
>     >>>
>     >>Ah yes, another Bongo-land supporter ...
>     >>
>     >>Hey, how about that Cuban kulture? North Korea? Eastern
>     >>Europe?
>     >>
>     >>Like, boy, thoise kultures sure contribute a lot -- like war,
>     >>hatred, disease, mass murder ...
>     >>
>     >Oh, and in that case, do you also say that Western Europe
>     >hasn't done the same thing? You seem to forget that all
>     >"cultures," (though your definition seems to include
>     >"nations" which tends to be fairly different that the
>     >standard) have had points of utter and complete depravity. Do
>     >you honestly think that the English originally came here in
>     >order to exchange ideas with the natives in a peaceful,
>     >productive fashion? Or that the Spanish did the natives of
>     >this continent a great favor by subjugating them and forcing
>     >them to conform Catholicism? Of that the U.S. government was
>     >really doing it for the best by forcing the Cherokee from
>     >their lands inthe 1830s? In which case, I have a bridge to
>     >sell you.../
> 
> Hmm, can you say "magnitude"?
> 
> If the US interns the Japanese during WWII, and Germany "interned" the
> Jews, why, there must be NO difference!!!
> 
> And your "history" -- you MUST be a victim of the public schools!
> 
> For example, the Spanish Church was at times almost at war (well,
> in a few cases they were - a movie about it was even made) with the
> Spanich settlers.
> 
> The Spanish Crown had agreed on decent approaches to the native, defended
> by the Church, but the lust for gold proved too overwhelming.
> 
> A major argument of the American Colonies with the British Crown
> was over the huge budget (> 1/3 of the total budget) that was "spent"
> in pacifying the natives. Pacifying included such things as sending
> a gunsmith, with family, to the Indians -- contractually specifying
> that the son(s) of the gunsmith grow up in the Indian village as so
> speak the language.
> 
> And of course, we must thank the Spaniards from stopping the brutal
> Central American murderous cultures -- how many people had their
> beating hearts ripped out? 15,000+ a year. Not to mention the
> sacrifices of small children?
> 
> 
> 
> Read some history - real history (no womyns-style PC crap).
> 
And by your above arguments, you were taught at a time when we hailed our 
brave soldiers for fighting in foreign lands to rid them of Communism and 
to teach them our ways!  Just as much as any "Kulture" may have had it's 
ups, it certainly had it's downs.  Simply because DWEM society is 
currently dominant doesn't mean it will last forever, and how history 
interprets it in the future is a matter of how our decendents chose to 
see it.

You cannot deny that the non-DWEM societies, as much as we may remember 
them as being brutal, also had their own sophistcation.  We might want to 
recall that as many hearts were ripped from sacrifices, Aztecs and those 
societies preceding them in that same area were also notable 
mathematicians, astronomers, etc.  We cannot simply say that because one 
aspect of their culture was brutal that they were simply savages, anymore 
than we can say that SWEM culture was completely salutory for all they 
encountered in the last millenium.

But, I guess you chose what you want to see, and I cannot condemn you for 
that since we all pretty much do the same thing.

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