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Don Wilson wrote:
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> Fantomas wrote:
> >
> > Don Wilson wrote:
> > >
> > > J.M. Ivler wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In ca.politics Don Wilson <scootoy@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > The context was to discourage teenagers from getting into gangd, but MY
> > > > > GOD, what purpose does that serve? Wrong is wrong. As far as "A
> > > > > Clockwork Orange", that kind of 60s stuff is what got us into the mess
> > > > > we are in today.
> >
> > And what mess was caused by " A Clockwork Orange " ? The California gang
> > culture seems to have been completely unaffected by that book or by that
> > movie.
> >
> > Teenagers (highschool age) ARE to young for this
> > > > > material.
> > > >
> > > > I'll make you a deal. For every book you get to ban, I get to ban one too.
> > > > My first choice is the Judeau-Christian "holy bible". All versions.
> > > >
> > > > You do feel that is fair. I don't want that trash taught as "fact" to my
> > > > kid. I mean, the two daughters of Lot getting daddy drunk and raping him
> > > > so that they could have his kid! SICKO! Expecially after he offered them
> > > > up to the townfolk as his "two virgin and pure daughters" for them to "do
> > > > with as you wish". Of course that lame sick twisted perverted soul is what
> > > > the G-d of that text called "honorable" and worthy of being saved from a
> > > > genocide. Talk about teaching kids sick trash.
> >
> > Or my favourite Bible story, Ezekiel 23, about the two promiscuous
> > sisters. That is far stronger than " Running Stronger ". Like the part
> > about " she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were as big as those
> > of donkeys and whose seed was as potent as that of horses. " You can
> > look this up, this is actually in the Bible.
> >
> > > It looks as if the people have spoken. The San Jose Police Dept. is now
> > > conducting an investigation on weather to bring Pornography charges on
> > > the criminal teachers and members of the school district who peddled
> > > this smut. "What' ya gonna go when they come for you?" Go gett'em cops!
> >
> > This isn't Romania. There should be no place for cops behaving like that
> > in the US. By wasting valuable police resources like that you are
> > implicitly empowering gang bangers, robbers, rapists, child molestors,
> > VCT members etc. to go commit crimes given that the cops are too busy
> > going after some book. If I was in the SJ school district as a response
> > I would assign " Tropic of Cancer " by Henry Miller...
> 
> I'm not a book burner in any way shape or form

Contrary to what you have said above. I think your problem with " ALways
Running " is that it is a sexually explicit book by a Mexican American. 
So how would you feel if the SJ school district assigned " Journey to
the End of the Night " by Dr. Louis-Ferdinand Celine, who seemed to be
an influence on " ALways Running " and was certainly quite willing to
wallow in the dark side of human behaviour, however he was not only a
white of Celtic descent but also a white suprematist, anti-semite and
Nazi collaborator during WWII ? Would this somehow be OK ? 
  
, but we have to realize
> something here. While teenagers look and sometimes act adult, they are
> far from it. As a matter of fact, a young person doesn't mature before
> they actually get into their 30s.

Tell this to Louis XIV, Augustus Caesar, Alexander the Great, and many
other kings of the past who were quite mature in their teens. Tell this
to Mozart. If " a young person doesnt mature until they get into their
thirties ", it is their own fault and that of their parents and the
school systems. If I had a teenage child here in LA ( ahich I will be
leaving in seven hours ) I would definately not put him or her into most
of the public schools here, but encourage them to get their proficiency
test and go to a junior college the first chance they'd get. The
immaturity of teens is directly proportional to the rise of the teen
ghetto and the lessening interaction between teens and adults. This
society is obsessed with protecting teens from adults, when teens need
to be protected far more from other teens. I'd feel safer about a 16
year old kid of mine hanging out in nightclubs with adults and basically
living an adult lifestyle, than being in some inner city school and
being exposed to gangs. 

 The problem is that today's children
> are exposed to things that cause them to grow up *too fast*.

This is something hardly unique to today's children - you seem unaware
of most of human history. 


 This is
> part of the reason we have so many out of wed births with today's teens.

It has more to do with restrictions on birth control and ridiculous
state laws mandating teaching abstinence. 


> THEY JUST AREN'T READY FOR THAT YET, especialy sexually explicate
> material like "Always Running".

It depends upon the individual. 

 By the way, Mr. Rodriguez also sites in
> his book a time when he was working in a fast food joint and he would
> spit and urinate in "Gringo's" food.

Shades of George Orwell in " DOwn and Out in Paris and London " ? You
are comparing Rodriguez to many of the giants in 20th century lit. even
if you do not know it. Orwell said the exact same words - well, almost,
as the concept of " fast food joints " hadn't really hit Depression era
Paris yet. He also mentioned that he considered going out and singling
out Americans as marks for muggings, although he decided against it
ultimately. So what we have here is someone who combines Celine and
Orwell. Would you consider Orwell's work as unfit for public schools ? 



 This was brought up today on KSFO
> Radio. I would be the first one to complain if the government removed
> "Always Running" from the adult public, but this book is not for
> children! As for getting the police to stop using valuable resources, I
> think we can start by getting them out of diamond lanes and checking to
> see if drivers are wearing seat belts. Let's make our police get back to
> REAL policing and start with arresting the smut peddlers

Arresting smut peddlers is taking police away from real policing.

Fantomas