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Re: Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!

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From: Drewdove
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:05
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"dave" <dave@dave.dave> wrote in message
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> John Smith wrote:
> > On 9/9/2010 8:33 PM, dave wrote:
> >
> >> ...
> >> 128 sounds very ragged to me. It's fine for the car or background music
> >> but when I put on my Grado headphones the lossy compression is not
> >> really a pleasure to listen to.
> >
> > This:
> > "Audio (MP3)
> > 32 kbit/s � MW (AM) quality
> > 96 kbit/s � FM quality - This is questionable since FM broadcast is
> > transmitted in analog 30hz-15khz. Similarly one cannot compare directly
> > an LP record to CD using kbit/s.
> > 128�160 kbit/s � Standard Bitrate quality; difference can sometimes be
> > obvious (e.g. lack of low frequency quality and high frequency "swashy"
> > effects)[citation needed]
> > 224�320 kbit/s � VBR to highest MP3 quality"
> >
> > from here:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_rate
> >
> > At 225 kbit, it is strange it is so offensive to your ear, it is
> > approaching concert hall quality ... 96 kbit is ~equal to fm radio ... I
> > think what your are hearing is more in your mind than anywhere else.
> >
> > Regards,
> > JS
>
> I have done blind A/B testing. WAV or FLAC always beats AAC, at any
> bitrate.  AAC+ SBR, the flavor used for digital radio, is even more
> annoying due to false triggering of the pink noise pumper and the total
> lack of any sense of space.  A typical 78 RPM analog record has more
> ambience.
>
> I do all my entertainment radiolistening via web unless I'm somewhere
> without wireless broadband or listening to the AM radio.  I find the
> vast majority of FM radio stations unlistenable due to the extreme
> dynamics processing.
>
Have you tried other lossless codecs like Monkey, mp3-HD, Mp4 ALS?

The one that seems most promising is mp3-HD as it's compatible with older
players. I've heard some weird stuff with Money, but it may be me. ALS
sounds solid, but I think you need a player that can handle it.

I think Vorbis has a lossless system as well, but I could be wrong.
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Subject: Re: Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
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