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Article #280Re: Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
From: Drewdove
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:05
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:05
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"dave" <dave@dave.dave> wrote in message news:4c8a4fe8$0$1399$bd467cd0@news.dslextreme.com... > John Smith wrote: > > On 9/9/2010 8:33 PM, dave wrote: > > > >> ... > >> 128 sounds very ragged to me. It's fine for the car or background music > >> but when I put on my Grado headphones the lossy compression is not > >> really a pleasure to listen to. > > > > This: > > "Audio (MP3) > > 32 kbit/s � MW (AM) quality > > 96 kbit/s � FM quality - This is questionable since FM broadcast is > > transmitted in analog 30hz-15khz. Similarly one cannot compare directly > > an LP record to CD using kbit/s. > > 128�160 kbit/s � Standard Bitrate quality; difference can sometimes be > > obvious (e.g. lack of low frequency quality and high frequency "swashy" > > effects)[citation needed] > > 224�320 kbit/s � VBR to highest MP3 quality" > > > > from here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_rate > > > > At 225 kbit, it is strange it is so offensive to your ear, it is > > approaching concert hall quality ... 96 kbit is ~equal to fm radio ... I > > think what your are hearing is more in your mind than anywhere else. > > > > Regards, > > JS > > I have done blind A/B testing. WAV or FLAC always beats AAC, at any > bitrate. AAC+ SBR, the flavor used for digital radio, is even more > annoying due to false triggering of the pink noise pumper and the total > lack of any sense of space. A typical 78 RPM analog record has more > ambience. > > I do all my entertainment radiolistening via web unless I'm somewhere > without wireless broadband or listening to the AM radio. I find the > vast majority of FM radio stations unlistenable due to the extreme > dynamics processing. > Have you tried other lossless codecs like Monkey, mp3-HD, Mp4 ALS? The one that seems most promising is mp3-HD as it's compatible with older players. I've heard some weird stuff with Money, but it may be me. ALS sounds solid, but I think you need a player that can handle it. I think Vorbis has a lossless system as well, but I could be wrong.
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