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"Drewdove" <cheadle@juno.com> wrote in message 
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> "dave" <dave@dave.dave> wrote in message
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>> John Smith wrote:
>> > On 9/9/2010 8:33 PM, dave wrote:
>> >
>> >> ...
>> >> 128 sounds very ragged to me. It's fine for the car or background 
>> >> music
>> >> but when I put on my Grado headphones the lossy compression is not
>> >> really a pleasure to listen to.
>> >
>> > This:
>> > "Audio (MP3)
>> > 32 kbit/s � MW (AM) quality
>> > 96 kbit/s � FM quality - This is questionable since FM broadcast is
>> > transmitted in analog 30hz-15khz. Similarly one cannot compare directly
>> > an LP record to CD using kbit/s.
>> > 128�160 kbit/s � Standard Bitrate quality; difference can sometimes be
>> > obvious (e.g. lack of low frequency quality and high frequency "swashy"
>> > effects)[citation needed]
>> > 224�320 kbit/s � VBR to highest MP3 quality"
>> >
>> > from here:
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_rate
>> >
>> > At 225 kbit, it is strange it is so offensive to your ear, it is
>> > approaching concert hall quality ... 96 kbit is ~equal to fm radio ... 
>> > I
>> > think what your are hearing is more in your mind than anywhere else.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > JS
>>
>> I have done blind A/B testing. WAV or FLAC always beats AAC, at any
>> bitrate.  AAC+ SBR, the flavor used for digital radio, is even more
>> annoying due to false triggering of the pink noise pumper and the total
>> lack of any sense of space.  A typical 78 RPM analog record has more
>> ambience.
>>
>> I do all my entertainment radiolistening via web unless I'm somewhere
>> without wireless broadband or listening to the AM radio.  I find the
>> vast majority of FM radio stations unlistenable due to the extreme
>> dynamics processing.
>>
> Have you tried other lossless codecs like Monkey, mp3-HD, Mp4 ALS?
>
> The one that seems most promising is mp3-HD as it's compatible with older
> players. I've heard some weird stuff with Money, but it may be me. ALS
> sounds solid, but I think you need a player that can handle it.

If there is any difference at all between the different lossless formats 
then someone is lying and they're not really lossless.

I'd be very surprised if a lossless version of MP3 could be made compatible 
with all old MP3 players.
For one thing lossless audio files are big and there's no guarantee that an 
old player can read data from its memory fast enough. But I'm doubtful it 
can really be done at all. They may be able to create an improved high bit 
rate MP3 that they think they can get away with calling lossless when it 
isn't.

>
> I think Vorbis has a lossless system as well, but I could be wrong.
>

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