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Article #14Re: [PROPOSAL] Create moderated version of ba.broadcast, ba.broadcast.moderated [LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS]
From: Colonel Jake
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:07
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:07
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"Mark Roberts" <babcast@cosmos-monitor.com> wrote in message news:79tnj0F1sg7m1U1@mid.individual.net... : For your newsgroups file: : ba.broadcast.moderated Bay Area TV/Radio issues. (Moderated) : : : From the original 1992 ba.broadcast charter by Eliot Lear : <lear@yeager.corp.sgi.com>: : : "This group is here for discussions, comments and program reminders : about broadcast media in the San Francisco Bay Area, both radio and : television. It also includes cable systems and TVRO/BCRO in the SF : Bay Area. It does not include scanner, ham radio or other action : here in the SF Bay Area; these may be addressed in another : newsgroup at another time. Issues of national interest should be : posted to one of the groups in rec.arts.tv or rec.radio." : : : Proposed 2009 updates to original ba.broadcast charter for : ba.broadcast.moderated: : : The purpose of the newsgroup is to discuss the practice of : broadcasting, including programming, sales and management, : engineering, broadcast technology, and emerging trends and : technologies in broadcasting and related media. : : This group is intended as a moderated alternative to the existing : newsgroup ba.broadcast. Moderation will be utilized to enforce : civil tone and on-topic content, including rejection of : inappropriate articles, and closing of existing threads if they : become sufficiently uncivil or off-topic. Uncivil tone includes : insults, name-calling, and other ad-hominem attacks. Off-topic : content includes that not reasonably related to the practice of : broadcasting in the Bay Area. For example, articles that discuss : how a radio host runs his or her show would be considered on-topic. : Articles that are entirely about the contents of radio or TV shows : (except in those instances where the subject matter is actually : about radio or TV) would be considered off-topic. Such articles : should instead be submitted to alternative forums. : : In addition, the following are prohibited: : : * Chain letters. : * Posts in HTML. : * SPAM. : * Binaries, apart from PGP signatures, X-Face headers, and other : ancillary article meta-data. : * Forgery of valid e-mail addresses. : * Excessive morphing/nym-shifting. : * Copyright violations. Pointers to news articles, blogs, etc. on : this topic are welcome but are required to comply with fair use : standards. : * Personal attacks and flames, as defined by the moderation team. : * Links to "objectionable" web content, including pornographic sites, : sites encouraging illegal activities, or sites deemed unacceptable : by the moderation team. The moderation team will cursorily check : the contents of specific links to confirm on-topic content, but : acceptance for posting does not imply endorsement or approval of : the entire present or future contents of that web site. : * Discussion of moderation decisions. See below for information : on appealing moderator action. : : Summary of Discussion: : : Discussion in both ba.config and ba.broadcast brought forth the : following arguments for and against the creation of : ba.broadcast.moderated: : : FOR: : * Absence of personal attacks on individual posters : * Posts would be more likely to be on-topic : * Fewer off-topic posts (a/k/a "noise") would appear : * More professionals working in the business will participate in : the moderated newsgroup : : AGAINST: : * Concern that a moderator would use the moderated newsgroup to : answer criticism made in the unmoderated newsgroup : * Censorship : : Straw Poll: : : FOR: : Angie Coiro <angiecoiro@yahoo.com> : Copie <copieco@hotmail.com : John Higdon <higgy@kome.com> : Phil Kane <phil.kane@nov.shmovz.ka.pop> : David Kaye <sfdavidkaye@yahoo.com : Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> : Mark Roberts <babcast@cosmos-monitor.com> : Paul W. Schleck <pschleck@novia.net> : Stratum101 <j.collier@cross-comp.com> : Mike Ward <mward@iname-remove-this-part.com> : : AGAINST: : Bozo <Bozo_De_Niro@37.com> : Colonel Jake <SergeantYork@comcast.net> : Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> (footnote #1) : : Footnote: : 1: as expressed in ba.broadcast : : Implementation and management of this new newsgroup: : : If approved by the readership, the new newsgroup will be created by : a standard, PGP-signed, Usenet newgroup control message sent by the : Bay-Area Managed Hierarchy (ba.*) Administrator, Ron Escheverri: : : http://usenet.trigofacile.com/hierarchies/index.py?see=BA : : Usenet sites that accept such control messages automatically will : create the newsgroup immediately. Readers at other sites are : requested to ask their local administrators to create the new : newsgroup manually after the newgroup control message is posted. : The moderation team will be available to assist with this. : : In order to minimize duplication of articles, and encourage wider : propagation of the new moderated newsgroup, simultaneous : crossposting between ba.broadcast and ba.broadcast.moderated will : be encouraged. : : Participation in this simultaneous crossposting scheme is : completely voluntary. Posters of initial articles in threads will : make the voluntary choice to add ba.broadcast.moderated and one : other unmoderated newsgroup to the Newsgroups line when posting. : Those following up to these crossposted threads will make a : voluntary choice whether to keep ba.broadcast.moderated or any : other newsgroup on the Newsgroups line, or remove them. Followups : may be directed by default to any subset of the newsgroups on the : Newsgroups line (or via E-mail to "poster") by specifying them on : an appropriate Followup-To line. In short, the readers will : control what they post, where they post it, and what default : destinations they want for any followups. This proposed : crossposting scheme does not change any of these long-standing : features of Usenet and newsreader software. : : The ba.broadcast.moderated moderation team will use the Secure, : Team-Based Usenet Moderation Program (STUMP) to manage the : newsgroup: : : http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump/ : : To reduce the risks of technical problems and delayed or lost : articles during this proposed newsgroup's startup, the moderation : team will set up initial moderation services at Public-Access : Internet and Unix, New York City (Panix): : : http://www.panix.com : : for the cost of $100/year. Panix already hosts several other : Usenet newsgroup moderation teams running STUMP. Members of the : consultation team below will assist with this initial installation. : : Services in the Bay area were evaluated, but the team felt that : they could not be stood up quickly enough, offer necessary : technical features such as installed software tools and web site : hosting like Panix, be cost-competitive with Panix, be as reliable : as Panix, or offer technical support as responsive as Panix. : Starting up at Panix for the first year will give us 12 months of : breathing room, and a reliable backup, while we continue to seek : out and evaluate Bay-area alternatives for moderation software : hosting. Further suggestions about reliable Unix-shell Internet : account services in the Bay area that could meet our technical : requirements and budget would be welcome. : : The STUMP robot (or "'bot") will scan all submitted posts. Each : post will be either automatically approved, rejected, or sent to : the moderators for manual review. The moderator 'bot will enforce : the following guidelines: : : * Postings must be in plain text. In particular no HTML or mixed text : and HTML posts will be allowed. Messages that are : multipart/alternative will be automatically filtered to pass just : the text/plain version to the newsgroup. : : * No binary postings of any sort will be accepted. Exceptions will be : made for cryptographic signatures and such. : : * Messages must not continue a thread that has been "closed" by the : moderators. : : Posts rejected by the bot or by a moderator will be returned to the : poster via e-mail. Moderators may at their option include an : explanation for rejection of the post. : : Individual posters may be temporarily banned for consistently : violating the group charter. Posters who feel that their posts : have been unfairly rejected or banned, either for specific content : or by a specific moderator, may appeal the decision. They may do : so by writing the moderation team at the Administrative Contact : address below. The moderation team will discuss and vote on the : appeal and respond within 14 days if the appeal is successful. The : moderation team will also reply within 14 days to unsuccessful : submitters of any appeal that is on-topic, reasoned, civilly stated, : and is not substantially an attempt to revisit the subject matter and : arguments of a previous unsuccessful appeal. : : Multiple temporary bans, attempting to circumvent the ban, or abuse : of the appeal system may result in a permanent ban. : : : Initial Moderation Team: : : Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> : Mark Roberts <babcast@cosmos-monitor.com> : John Higdon <higgy@kome.com> : : : Temporary Volunteer Moderators: : : (These temporary volunteers have agreed to serve for the first 6-12 : months of the newsgroup's life, during which time a list of : pre-approved or "white-listed" users will be built based on : approved submissions, and additional moderators will be recruited : from the Bay-Area broadcast community.) : : Steve Bonine <spb@pobox.com> (Moderator of news.groups.proposals) : Kathy Morgan <kmorgan@aptalaska.net> (Co-Chair of Big-8 Board) : : : Consultants: : : Paul W. Schleck <pschleck@novia.net> : Phil Kane <phil.kane@nov.shmovz.ka.pop> : : : Article Submissions: ba-broadcast-moderated@panix.com : Administrative Contact: ba-broadcast-moderated-request@panix.com : : : Proponent: : : Mark Roberts <babcast@cosmos-monitor.com> : : : Change History: : : 2009-05-30 1st RFD : 2009-06-10 Posted to ba.broadcast and ba.config : 2009-06-13 Reposted to ba.broadcast and ba.config due to an effort : by "Colonel Jake", SergeantYork@comcast.net, to cancel the post : 2009-06-17 2nd RFD/Last Call for Comments : : -- : Mark Roberts : I got this?, "BIG-GIANT-URGE!!!,...., toO [CMSG] Create moderated version of ba.broadcast, ba.broadcast.moderated [LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS], in a new poastings Subject field!!!..." What do you?, "Think about that?!?!?! (Mark Roberts)..." Discussion?
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