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Article #12190Another NCA story
From: Michael A. Solinas
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 00:00
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 00:00
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I was listening to Leo Laporte's radio talk show about computers,
and was wondering if a 486 DX2 (66 mhz) would be a good purchase.
I called NCA - and found they were only $159. I could DOUBLE my
speed for under $200. What a deal.
Over to NCA I go. I look at the DX4 chips - triple the speed.
Hmmm, only $259. Much better. BUT - I'd need a new motherboard,
Salesman #1 says. Take this fine Mylex motherboard - they work
great with the DX4/100. Only $129 - on sale. Soon to be $139.
It works FINE with the DX4 - they sell a lot of 'em.
I inspect the board - and see a couple of long slots - for 72
pin simms. More memory!! I pop for the 16 megger - for a
nice $539.99.
After an additional $71 + for taxes, license, dock fees, dealer
prep, etc, I'm in the hole $989. A grand for a hundred and a
half purchase. But think of the POWER!!
OK, so I take it home, and attempt an install. I'd never
replaced a motherboard before. Now I'm very experienced. Anyway,
I slap in the 486dx4, the 16 meg of ram, 4 of the 8 meg from my
old board, and have a whopping 20 meg now. Into the case it goes.
In go all the cards. I fire it up.
Can you say "locking up"? I mean, I can get the sucker completely
fucked up in less than 2 minutes. Reboot. Try stuff, it freezes,
I reboot. Terrible.
Ah. Must be a QEMM error. Well, I'll fart with it tomorrow.
Sunday. I decide to remove all cards - soundblaster, modem, etc
that I don't need. All I have is the ide controller (for the Hard
Disk), and the video card.
I carefully "rem" out all references to QEMM. I rem out all
references to anything but a simple path statement.
I fire it up. I try to run a diagnostic program. It crashes and
burns. I reboot, and type "dir" to list the directory. Lock up.
Reboot. I try to edit the config.sys. More locking up.
Clearly, there is a problem here. I take out the remaining cards,
remove the mother board - carefully extracting my 4 meg, and box
the cpu, motherboard and 16 meg ram, to return it to NCA.
Salesman #1 isn't there, but Salesman #2 helps me. Salesman #2 puts
the board, cpu and ram together, and whips out a power supply,
a video card, a keyboard and a monitor. He hooks it all up -
and runs a diagnostic.
He gets an error. Aha! Bad motherboard. (How he knows the
motherboard is at fault, instead of the cpu is beyond me. I'm a
mere mortal.) He pulls out a motherboard from the back, slaps it
together - and prepares to send me on my way. I ask to see the
diagnostics with this board. It fails also.
Now - NCA would be happy to replace my motherboard with one of these
fine Bioteq boards, but cannot refund my money for the cpu and ram -
the lion's share of the purchase. No refunds, that's store policy.
Salesman #2 calls Tech #1 from the back. Tech #1 explains that
ALL of the boards fail that diagnostic - it doesn't mean anything.
Salesman #2 wants me to leave, happy, with my replaced board and
old CPU. I'm no fool. Can we replace the CPU as well? "We
could...." I read his face. He is in obvious pain. "... but
there'd be LOTS of paperwork involved." Maybe I'm insensitive;
maybe I'm just a jerk, but I said we really didn't change anything,
and I'd like to replace the CPU as well. Salesman #2 replaces the
CPU (funny, I see him do NO paperwork), and he wishes me luck.
As I'm waiting to get my paperwork updated (my receipt - not the
stuff for the cpu, which never appears after all), I ask Salesman #2
what I could try if this DIDN'T work. He again offered me one of
the bioteq boards, and I declined. "They're pieces of crap!" he
quietly tells me in confidence, after I refused it. Hmmmmm.
I get it home, and decide before proceeding I should back up my
hard disk. This takes the remainder of Sunday.
Monday evening. In goes the new board. I boot - and see the cryptic
message "error 6." That's it. Error 6. I flash back to the opening
of the show "The Prisoner." "YOU ARE NUMBER SIX!! I AM NOT A NUMBER,
...". I reboot. Error 6 again. I wonder if Leo Laporte airs pissed
off rants from folks about stores who sell crap. I reboot. Error 6
again. That's 6...6...6. I don't need Leo Laporte to help me debug -
I need an exorcist. More lock ups, etc. Monday night is a failure.
Tuesday morning I call American Express. Can they help me "bypass"
the
no refunds policy? My customer service rep gives me the number of the
buyer protection plan dudes. I call them. Was the stuff stolen or
broken? No. They can't help - call customer service again.
I call customer service. A nice lady with a North Carolina accent
talks to me, calls NCA and talks to the Manager #1. Manager #1 can
do nothing, but gives the NCA corporate number.
Sigh. My southern belle in NC says things look bad, but I should
try talking to the first salesman. He's due in at 1:00.
I bring the machine in. Salesman #1 is not there, nor is Salesman #2,
so Salesman #3 helps me. I tell Salesman #3 an abreviated tale of
woe - he has zero interest. He writes Salesman #1 a note to check
the system and call me. I go to work.
I call at 1:10. Impatient? You bet. Salesman #1 isn't coming in,
apparently. He may be going into the Fremont site today. I ask if
another tech can look at it. Yes, but they have a THREE DAY
BACKLOG!!!
May I speak to the manager? This would be manager #2 - who does not
come to the phone. Salesman #3 says he will look at it personally.
You know, in hostage situations, after an extended period of time,
hostages start feeling empathy for their captors? Odd. Anyway,
I feel Salesman #3 will help me.
#3 offers me a fine bioteq mother board, and I decline.
#3 asks me if I need the motherboard INSTALLED. Now, "installed"
is a magic word. At NCA, they have a large poster of services
their service department offer, with the prices attached. Simple
shit is $19.95. I think that's for dusting your case, or something.
Most stuff costs more. I figure "installing a motherboard" probably
has a dollar value associated with it in excess of the GNP of most
emerging nations. "No, it's already INSTALLED. Just get it working."
Hours later, I get a call from Tech #2. Funny, Salesman #3 didn't
look at it personally. He tells me it's "too bad" I didn't talk
to a tech. All of the mylex boards he's seen for the past two weeks
fail to work with the Intel DX4. Remember the warning paper I got
with the board, about the well-known bug of the mylex and the
AMD DX4's? Well, the new warning also mentions the Intel chip.
Tech #2 offers me a bioteq board. I decline, saying I heard bad
things about it. He says "the manager asked me to offer it to you."
I ask to talk to the manager. There are two. Manager #2 is busy, I
get Manager #3, who is the same person as Salesman #3.
I explain to Salesman/Manager #3 my tale of woe, once again. He's
getting tired of me, which means I am winning. He offers me the
bioteq board yet again, and I decline, as always. I get put on
hold 3-4 times. Finally, he offers me a refund.
I head right down. I talk to Tech #2 to get the rest of my system
back. Tech #2 tells me, quietly, "I'm glad you're getting all of
your money back. Usually, they give customers a tougher time."
That "tougher time" is probably the 15% restocking fee they demand
for "all orders".
I got out with no fees at all. Damn lucky.
Oh, yes. While waiting for my refund, I see the mylex board in the
showcase. It still says "DX4 compatible." Now, they know better.
Would they really be selling folks a known incompatable board,
denying refunds, leaving folks to try the crap board as their only
way to cut their losses?
I was damn lucky.
Never, ever buy anything of consequence at NCA. Frys has a "no
questions asked" refund policy. They now have 100% of my business.
BTW - I've seen a dozen or more "corrections" to prices in the NCA
ads when visiting their stores. They always apologize for the
"misprints" - some item actually costs more than advertised. Now,
being a statistician, I expect errors to be sometimes over, sometimes
under. With NCA, the ad is always lower than reality. Yet another
scam? Well, it defies the odds.
--
Michael A. Solinas (mike@solinas.com)
WWW: http://www.solinas.com/
ftp: ftp.solinas.com
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