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Thanks for backing me up Jack.  Well done!

"Jack" <jack1237@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> DiscoDuck wrote:
>>
>> Jack wrote:
>> > DiscoDuck wrote:
>> > >
>> > > smn wrote:
>> > > > So you assume that because I ride a bike I do it because I cannot 
>> > > > afford a
>> > > > car ie most cyclists pay  lower taxes.  That is just outright 
>> > > > prejudice and
>> > > > very ignorant.
>> > >
>> > > Call it what you want, but generally it is true.
>> >
>> > No You are being prejudicial. Lots of rich people drive bikes.
>>
>> I didn't say rich people didn't rride bikes.  I said "GENERALLY"
>> speaking.  Re-read, jack.
>
> I did not misread, but generally, STILL strikes you as prejudicial.
>
>>
>> >
>> > >
>> > > > Cycling is becoming more popular again with the older crowd.  Look 
>> > > > at all
>> > > > the road bikes this summer.  I have a higher middle class income.
>> > > > We all pay for gst and pst so buying a car has nothing to do with 
>> > > > it that is
>> > > > your disposable income and we all pay the same.
>> > >
>> > > The questions was who pays more in Taxes.  You said bicyclists do 
>> > > which
>> > > is patently ridiculous.  And of course the sales tax counts.
>> >
>> > Who pays more cost as a ratio of amount paid versus damage done to
>> > roads.
>> >
>> > THE CYCLIST!!!
>> >
>> > Also since federal gas taxes do not fund provincial or municipal roads
>> > the cyclists who pays the same taxes to build roads yet does not do the
>> > same damage to roads, or life pays proportionally more tax (sales tax,
>> > and property taxes).
>>
>> The cyclist pays the same, but the driver pays ADDITIONAL taxes, in
>> gas, purchaes price, etc..   How you can possible dispute that is just
>> ridiculous.  Cyclist pay NO road tax whatsoever.
>> IN addition, there are more rich drivers than cyclists and they pay
>> more in income tax, etc.
>
> And drivers contribute ADDITIONAL costs to the environment, the health
> care system, the police, the fire, the paramedics, the insurance system,
> and others.
>
> And again, gas taxes do not pay for roads. Provincial roads are built
> with
> income taxes and sales taxes. Rich people pay for these roads whether
> they
> drive or not. Municipal taxes are paid by property taxes. Once again
> rich
> people pay for these roads too drivers or not. Even the little old lady
> who lives in a retirement home pays taxes to build our roads.
>
> However cyclists pay sales tax, income tax, and property taxes. The
> portion
> of those taxes used to build and maintain roads (including the
> environment,
> the health care system, the police, the fire, the paramedics, the
> insurance
> system, and others) and yet do minimal damage and use only a minimal
> percentage of the geography that the roads take up.
>
> So in summary cyclists pay more costs to the system then they cost.
> The opposite is true for motorists who's gas taxes do not begin to pay
> for the environment, the health care system, the police, the fire, the
> paramedics, the insurance system, and others.
>
>>
>> > > > We all pay to repair roads and everything else that goes with it 
>> > > > when we do
>> > > > not even use it.  Cyclists do not require damage repair from what 
>> > > > we do.
>> > > > So, drivers depend on our handouts.    We do not kill people by 
>> > > > running into
>> > > > them either.  It is a might is right situation with some ignorant 
>> > > > people
>> > > > unfortuneately which is where you are coming from.  Drivers are 
>> > > > babies.
>> > >
>> > > No where do I say might is right.  You made a ridiculous statement
>> > > about how cyclist pay more.  Plain nuts which is where YOU are coming
>> > > from.
>> > >
>> > > By the way, do you know HOW many cyclists get killed by cars each 
>> > > year?
>> > >  I thought not.
>> >
>> > Actually proportionally there are less cyclist deaths and injuries per
>> > year
>> > than from motor vehicles. In other words it is safer to drive a 
>> > bicycle,
>> > although knowledgeable safe cyclist fair better than uneducated
>> > cyclists.
>> > Note: I am talking about education and awareness, not helmets.
>>
>> HERE I agree with you.  I feel you are safer on a bike.  You are can
>> maneuver far more than in a car.
>>
>> >
>> > > >     Jail terms?  That would be for causing death by negligence.  If 
>> > > > someone
>> > > > stole my bike I am quite sure they are not going to be killing 
>> > > > people with
>> > > > it in the getaway process.  Give people stuff for free all their 
>> > > > life like
>> > > > roads and they abuse it.
>> > >
>> > > How many people are killed by stolen cars a year?
>> >
>> > Actually motor vehicle injuries and deaths people operating stolen
>> > motor vehicles are significant. How many die by getting hit by a
>> > stolen bicycle?
>>
>> And again, that # is?
>> I'm sure more people are killed from stolen bicycles than stolen
>> skateboards.  Your point?
>
> Stolen cars cost lives!!!
>
>>
>> >
>> > >
>> > > > You think because someone pays $20,000 for a car they have more 
>> > > > rights than
>> > > > me.  Twisted  You do not have a clue about anything obviously.
>> > >
>> > > I use to think like you until I was enlightened.  Until people who
>> > > wanted a helmet law said "Why should my tax dollars pay for your head
>> > > injury".  That is when I realized money was more important to those
>> > > people, than freedom of choice.  So to be consistent with their
>> > > argument about their tax dollar being the almighty, I agree with them
>> > > that the more you pay-the more rights you have.  I don't like it, but
>> > > that is what in fact supporters of the law are saying.
>> >
>> > Nothing to be enlightened about. The law is the same for motorist and
>> > cyclist.
>> > The both have the same rights and the same privileges.
>>
>> Actually that is incorrect.  You do not require (nor should) a license
>> for cycling.  A drivers license is a privilege-riding a bike is right.
>> In addition bikes can legally be in lots and lots and lots of places
>> that cars cannot.  You often see signs prohibiting cars from going and
>> the sign will specifically exclude bikes from that law.
>> Bicycles can ride along paths off road etc.  Cars cannot.
>> Although the phrase "The both have the same rights and the same
>> privileges." sounds "good" it is utter nonsense.  The two have far more
>> difference than similarities.  The only similarity they have, is that
>> they are both modes of transportation-but vastly different.
>
> An I actually agree with you on the above.
>
> Just once you get on the road the rights and privileges are the same.
>
> If you want to get real picky there are lots of places bicycles are not
> allowed. Major highways for one. Many drive through food service joints
> do
> not allow cyclists to drive through for safety concerns.
>
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