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smn wrote:
> "And drivers pay all that, and more as I pointed out earlier."  No they do
> not.  You could triple the taxes and it would not cover it.  They should pay
> 100%
>
> If they paid their share there would be no need for everybody in Canada to
> pay for the entire gambit of services required by drivers and nobody else.
> I showed you the link that proves N. Amercian drivers pay a small amount
> compared to everyone else in the world for gas tax.
> Why should anyone even one cyclist pay for what they use and abuse.   And
> add to that having no rights on the road because might is right for all of
> them.  Remember guns, deers.  That is what it is like.  If it can happen it
> will.  It is not fair.  and it only happens in N. America.


That link is just propaganda put out by somone trying be like you.  It
does nothing to convince me.
>
>
> <nickarama2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1149626468.183411.51210@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Jack wrote:
> >> DiscoDuck wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Jack wrote:
> >> > > DiscoDuck wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > smn wrote:
> >> > > > > So you assume that because I ride a bike I do it because I cannot
> >> > > > > afford a
> >> > > > > car ie most cyclists pay  lower taxes.  That is just outright
> >> > > > > prejudice and
> >> > > > > very ignorant.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Call it what you want, but generally it is true.
> >> > >
> >> > > No You are being prejudicial. Lots of rich people drive bikes.
> >> >
> >> > I didn't say rich people didn't rride bikes.  I said "GENERALLY"
> >> > speaking.  Re-read, jack.
> >>
> >> I did not misread, but generally, STILL strikes you as prejudicial.
> >
> > No it doesn't.  That is aomong the stupidest things I have read.
> > Generally means, generally.
> >
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Cycling is becoming more popular again with the older crowd.
> >> > > > > Look at all
> >> > > > > the road bikes this summer.  I have a higher middle class income.
> >> > > > > We all pay for gst and pst so buying a car has nothing to do with
> >> > > > > it that is
> >> > > > > your disposable income and we all pay the same.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The questions was who pays more in Taxes.  You said bicyclists do
> >> > > > which
> >> > > > is patently ridiculous.  And of course the sales tax counts.
> >> > >
> >> > > Who pays more cost as a ratio of amount paid versus damage done to
> >> > > roads.
> >> > >
> >> > > THE CYCLIST!!!
> >> > >
> >> > > Also since federal gas taxes do not fund provincial or municipal
> >> > > roads
> >> > > the cyclists who pays the same taxes to build roads yet does not do
> >> > > the
> >> > > same damage to roads, or life pays proportionally more tax (sales
> >> > > tax,
> >> > > and property taxes).
> >> >
> >> > The cyclist pays the same, but the driver pays ADDITIONAL taxes, in
> >> > gas, purchaes price, etc..   How you can possible dispute that is just
> >> > ridiculous.  Cyclist pay NO road tax whatsoever.
> >> > IN addition, there are more rich drivers than cyclists and they pay
> >> > more in income tax, etc.
> >>
> >> And drivers contribute ADDITIONAL costs to the environment, the health
> >> care system, the police, the fire, the paramedics, the insurance system,
> >> and others.
> >>
> >> And again, gas taxes do not pay for roads. Provincial roads are built
> >> with
> >> income taxes and sales taxes. Rich people pay for these roads whether
> >> they
> >> drive or not. Municipal taxes are paid by property taxes. Once again
> >> rich
> >> people pay for these roads too drivers or not. Even the little old lady
> >> who lives in a retirement home pays taxes to build our roads.
> >
> > IT is very strange that you think rich people do not drive.  They do.
> > More of the drive than cycle.  It's common sense.
> >
> >> However cyclists pay sales tax, income tax, and property taxes. The
> >> portion
> >> of those taxes used to build and maintain roads (including the
> >> environment,
> >> the health care system, the police, the fire, the paramedics, the
> >> insurance
> >> system, and others) and yet do minimal damage and use only a minimal
> >> percentage of the geography that the roads take up.
> >
> >
> > And drivers pay all that, and more as I pointed out earlier.
> >
> >
> >> So in summary cyclists pay more costs to the system then they cost.
> >> The opposite is true for motorists who's gas taxes do not begin to pay
> >> for the environment, the health care system, the police, the fire, the
> >> paramedics, the insurance system, and others.
> >
> > nonsense.  There are more drivers paying more taxes.  I'm sure you'll
> > somehow dispute that, but just take a look outside and you'll see
> > scores of cars for every single cyclist.
> >
> >> >
> >> > > > > We all pay to repair roads and everything else that goes with it
> >> > > > > when we do
> >> > > > > not even use it.  Cyclists do not require damage repair from what
> >> > > > > we do.
> >> > > > > So, drivers depend on our handouts.    We do not kill people by
> >> > > > > running into
> >> > > > > them either.  It is a might is right situation with some ignorant
> >> > > > > people
> >> > > > > unfortuneately which is where you are coming from.  Drivers are
> >> > > > > babies.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > No where do I say might is right.  You made a ridiculous statement
> >> > > > about how cyclist pay more.  Plain nuts which is where YOU are
> >> > > > coming
> >> > > > from.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > By the way, do you know HOW many cyclists get killed by cars each
> >> > > > year?
> >> > > >  I thought not.
> >> > >
> >> > > Actually proportionally there are less cyclist deaths and injuries
> >> > > per
> >> > > year
> >> > > than from motor vehicles. In other words it is safer to drive a
> >> > > bicycle,
> >> > > although knowledgeable safe cyclist fair better than uneducated
> >> > > cyclists.
> >> > > Note: I am talking about education and awareness, not helmets.
> >> >
> >> > HERE I agree with you.  I feel you are safer on a bike.  You are can
> >> > maneuver far more than in a car.
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > > >     Jail terms?  That would be for causing death by negligence.
> >> > > > > If someone
> >> > > > > stole my bike I am quite sure they are not going to be killing
> >> > > > > people with
> >> > > > > it in the getaway process.  Give people stuff for free all their
> >> > > > > life like
> >> > > > > roads and they abuse it.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > How many people are killed by stolen cars a year?
> >> > >
> >> > > Actually motor vehicle injuries and deaths people operating stolen
> >> > > motor vehicles are significant. How many die by getting hit by a
> >> > > stolen bicycle?
> >> >
> >> > And again, that # is?
> >> > I'm sure more people are killed from stolen bicycles than stolen
> >> > skateboards.  Your point?
> >>
> >> Stolen cars cost lives!!!
> >
> > So do non-stolen (more so).  There are more fatalities with owned cars,
> > than stolen ones.  Your point?
> >
> >
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > You think because someone pays $20,000 for a car they have more
> >> > > > > rights than
> >> > > > > me.  Twisted  You do not have a clue about anything obviously.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I use to think like you until I was enlightened.  Until people who
> >> > > > wanted a helmet law said "Why should my tax dollars pay for your
> >> > > > head
> >> > > > injury".  That is when I realized money was more important to those
> >> > > > people, than freedom of choice.  So to be consistent with their
> >> > > > argument about their tax dollar being the almighty, I agree with
> >> > > > them
> >> > > > that the more you pay-the more rights you have.  I don't like it,
> >> > > > but
> >> > > > that is what in fact supporters of the law are saying.
> >> > >
> >> > > Nothing to be enlightened about. The law is the same for motorist and
> >> > > cyclist.
> >> > > The both have the same rights and the same privileges.
> >> >
> >> > Actually that is incorrect.  You do not require (nor should) a license
> >> > for cycling.  A drivers license is a privilege-riding a bike is right.
> >> > In addition bikes can legally be in lots and lots and lots of places
> >> > that cars cannot.  You often see signs prohibiting cars from going and
> >> > the sign will specifically exclude bikes from that law.
> >> > Bicycles can ride along paths off road etc.  Cars cannot.
> >> > Although the phrase "The both have the same rights and the same
> >> > privileges." sounds "good" it is utter nonsense.  The two have far more
> >> > difference than similarities.  The only similarity they have, is that
> >> > they are both modes of transportation-but vastly different.
> >>
> >> An I actually agree with you on the above.
> >>
> >> Just once you get on the road the rights and privileges are the same.
> >
> > No, again they are not.  Lots of places cyclists can go that cars
> > cannot.  PLease don't make me go take pcitures of the signs to prove
> > this to you.
> >
> >
> >> If you want to get real picky there are lots of places bicycles are not
> >> allowed. Major highways for one. Many drive through food service joints
> >> do
> >> not allow cyclists to drive through for safety concerns.
> >
> > I'm not being picky-I'm just falling into the crap about cyclists and
> > drivers being the same.  They simply are not.
> >