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"Highways is what we were talking about.  We weren't talking about riding
in your backyard or on mountain trails.  We were talking obligations
and rights about riding bikes vs. those of driving cars.  Pretty much the
only place where you'll find both riding together are on highways."

And in concert with that, as the subject suggests is we are talking about 
who pays more and why, relatively, so that is not about where cars do not 
share the same rights it is where the biker and car are equal only.  You are 
on the wrong track like I tried to say earlier.
Helmutless are on sidewalks so why bother about them.
Being on the road where you are suppose to be should mean we have equal 
rights and I pay just as much but much more relatively because I pay for the 
infrastructure only drivers use yet my life is at risk because they are dumb 
slobs on top of that and do not realize it is not environmentally sound or 
healthy on their part.
If you read some of ken kifer's web page he even said bike trails built by 
the city are to keep cyclists off the road and are very expensive plus they 
make you stop at cross streets, are inconvenient, and they rarely go where 
you need to be.  Point being we have to share the road and be respectful of 
that.[Ken Kifer's Bike Pages]

thanks for listening
in solidarity
smn


"Kir�ly" <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote in message 
news:AfPhg.23631$771.12570@edtnps89...
> DiscoDuck <fornewsgroups@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> LOL.  Interesting that when someone thinks I'm right-correction-KNOWS I
>> am correct, You assume it's me.
>> You make me laugh.  I guess you want to try and erode my credibilty by
>> suggesting this.  Good luck with that.
>
> IP address of posts in this thread made by DiscoDuck:  24.84.215.140
> IP address of posts in this thread made by nickarama:  24.84.215.140
>
> This isn't the first time this little "coincidence" has happened.
>
> Two posts were made in this group on March 4th 2006.  One by DiscoDuck,
> one by nickarama.  The IP addresses again are the same; 24.84.192.47.
>
> There is more evidence; But the real, obvious kicker is that you posted
> from your nickarama account, and signed it DD.  Just look at the
> headers and the body.
>
> Here it is again, in case you missed it:
>
> ---begin quoted post with message headers---
>
> |From: nickarama2005@yahoo.com
> |Newsgroups: bc.cycling
> |Subject: Re: Who pays more?
> |Date: 7 Jun 2006 17:25:41 -0700
> |Organization: http://groups.google.com
> |Lines: 43
> |Message-ID: <1149726341.251179.288020@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
> |
> |[snip]
> |
> |NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.84.215.140
> |
> |[snip]
> |
> |Thanks Nick.
> |I find it unbelievable that some people are bent on saying the two are
> |same.
> |The two are no more the same as skateboarders and rollerbladers.
> |DD
>
> ---end quoted post---
>
> If that's not proof that nickarama and DiscoDuck are the same person,
> then I don't know what is.
>
>> Just come out and admit (at the very least) you were mistaken.  That
>> indeed the two have different rights and obligations AND there are
>> other differences.
>
> The MVA says they are the same.  DiscoDuck says they aren't.  The MVA
> prevails.  It's right there in black and white.  You can argue and
> disagree all you want but it doesn't change the law.
>
>> That the law you quoted pertained to highways only. You were wrong.
>
> Highways is what we were talking about.  We weren't talking about riding
> in your backyard or on mountain trails.  We were talking obligations
> and rights about riding bikes vs. those of driving cars.  Pretty much the
> only place where you'll find both riding together are on highways.
>
>> Or do I have to come up with examples too?  I got one immediately off
>> the top of my head.
>> OK, here it goes (since I know you'll not admit you were wrong).
>> Cars by law are required to have insurance.  Cyclists are not.
>> Want more?
>
> Insurance is a legal requirement of operating a motor vehicle in a public
> highway, yes.  So it a helmet for a cyclist.  Heavy trucks are also
> subject to additional exterior lighting requirements that are required of
> neither cars nor bikes.
>
> But neither the car insurance, nor the helmet, nor the truck lighting make
> any difference on how the vehicle is to be driven/operated on highways,
> which is what we were talking about, and to what the "same rights and
> obligatins" refers.
>
> K.
>