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smn wrote:
> What he means is when you are sharing the road you have the same rights and
> obligations.  Stop being such a blockhead.

I know what he meant, and it is still wrong.  What your wrote above is
wrong.  You every right to cycle on the road.  You do NOT have every
right to drive on the road.  Stop being such an stupid idiot and
acknowledge you are wrong.  Riders and drivers have DIFFEREENT rights
and obligations.  It's that simple.

>     I know I will have to call the police several times this summer to
> report harrassment and life threatening behavior by drivers.

FUnny, when ride in Vancouver, why do I not encounter any such drivers?
 Probably because you are exaggerating the extent of "bad drivers" or
you lack courtesy for others on the road.

Because they
> think it is their right and they probably think all drivers think like them
> otherwise they would feel humiliated.  Not likely, they want to show off and
> show how powerful they all are.  If I only had a gun with blanks.
>     The point I was trying to make is drivers by definition do not have to
> pay more taxes just to drive a car except for the piddly gas tax.
> Everyones taxes goes to road repair and development, police, hospitals,
> courts all which are involved in the maintenance of good traffic performance
> and safety.  I do not need any of it and am harrassed by the very people I
> am carrying on my back.  They think that is funny to buzz you and make you
> look like an idiot.  Not what I call appreciation at all.  They slow me down
> not visa versa on top of it.  What do you think the Burrard St.  bike runs
> are for.  They are needed in my estimation.  Cars/drivers get everything
> spent on them.

You're going on weird tangents here dude.  But I'll address what you're
talking about anyway.  Odd, I drove yesterday AND today and a cyclist
was inhibiting traffic when there was ample room not to.  I don't think
they did this out of spite, but rather out of incompetency.  They
lcaked consideration.

>     If everyone walked or cycled instead of drove the motorists would be
> happier too but they are too dim for that.  It takes a gas hike for them to
> get to it.   It takes alot of dead cyclists too.  Do not know how many yet.
> Why don't you tell me.  You do not believe anything I tell you.

True, I do think you're lying to try and prove your point like many
people who oppose freedom of choice.

 In all
> walks of life there are trade offs for protection vs freedom.  IE condoms,
> terrorists, military.   border crossings, foreign mail, immigration,  You do
> not want protection in other words.  Traffic law is for everyones
> protection.  Have to use it for it to work also.

Look weirdo, you cannot compare the above to simply giving people the
choice of helmets.  The rest of the planet gets by just fine with such
a choice.  So could (and should BC).
Lets face it, this law is nothing but an organized pet peeve of the
paranoid and intolerant.

>
> If you got a ticket for crossing a crosswalk on a bike that cop was having a
> bad day or they are after you for something.

Perhaps, but that simply shouldn't even be an option for bad cops.   I
have got multiple tickets in Victoria for riding helmetless.  One of my
closest friend is a cop and he tells me such cops are the the laughing
stock of the department.    Again is shows such laws only applies to
some, and is very random depending on the cop, his/her mood, etc.

>     you say "Call it what you want, but generally it is true" about cyclists
> not paying much tax.    That would mean until they get a job then.  What
> about the ones that continue riding after they get a job and throughout
> their life.  There are more people over 20 than there are below 20 so
> chances are...BTW,Bikers who do not wear helmuts are usually on the sidewalk
> and smoking a cigarette at the same time.  Kids do not generally ride on the
> road either so you can subtract those two groups all together.  I am saying
> my rights on the road are not recognized by anyone in a car generally
> speaking.

Funny, generally speaking mine are.  MOST drivers are quite
considerate.  some aren't but they are the minority.  You must exude
your attitude while on the bike like you do here.  Perhaps you block
traffic for no good reason?  Maybe at red lights you prevent the car
behind you from turning right.

Otherwise they would not be showing off how stupid they are.
> One you may not know is you are suppose to ride 1.5 metres away from parked
> cars in case they open a door.  Well, do you really think drivers care if
> you get hit.  They would never give you enough room.  That is why I have to
> ride slower and I should not have to.  So if I piss them off because I am
> doing what is right by my safety and which the law considers my right why
> does it matter who pays more taxes anyway.

It called show consideration.  From your tone it sounds like you don't
bother.


  We all pay the same and have the
> same rights.  Might is right because you pay more taxes is what you tried to
> make us believe

Not at all.  I believe people should be protected from government and
"do - gooders" and moronic laws regardless of income or muscle mass.
It;s that simple.  You clearly disagree with that.


> 
> smn