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Several centuries ago, the Pope decreed that all the Jews had to convert 
or leave Italy. There was a huge outcry from the Jewish community, so the 
Pope offered a deal. He would have a religious debate with the leader of 
the Jewish community. If the Jews won, they could stay in Italy, if the 
Pope won, they would have to leave. 

The Jewish people met and picked an aged but wise Rabbi Moshe, to 
represent them in the debate. However, as Moshe spoke no Italian and the 
Pope spoke no Yiddish, they all agreed that it would be a "silent" 
debate. 

On the chosen day, the Pope and Rabbi Moshe sat opposite each other for a 
full minute before the Pope raised his hand and showed three fingers. 
Rabbi Moshe looked back and raised one finger. 
Next the Pope waved his finger around his head. Rabbi Moshe pointed to 
the ground where he sat. The Pope then brought out a communion wafer and 
a chalice of wine. Rabbi Moshe pulled out an apple. With that, the Pope 
stood up and declared that he was beaten, that Rabbi Moshe was too clever 
and that the Jews could stay. 

Later, the Cardinals met with the Pope, asking what had happened. The 
Pope said, "First I held up three fingers to represent the Trinity. He 
responded by holding up one finger to remind me that there is still only 
one God common to both our beliefs. Then, I waved my finger to show him 
that God was all around us. He responded by pointing to the ground to 
show that God was also right here with us. I pulled out the wine and 
wafer to show that God absolves us of all our sins. He pulled out an 
apple to remind me of the original sin. He had me beaten and I could not 
continue." 

Meanwhile the Jewish community were gathered around Rabbi Moshe. "How did 
you win the debate?" they asked. 

"I haven't a clue," said Moshe. "First he said to me that we had three 
days to get out of Italy, so I said to him, �up yours!� Then he tells me 
that the whole country would be cleared of Jews and I said to him, we're 
staying right here." 

"And then what," asked a woman. 

"Who knows?" said Moshe, "He took out his lunch so I took out mine."

Regarding William Grosvenor, of Edmonton, Alberta: 

http://tinyurl.com/GROSVENORBLOWS  Website compilation of Grosvenor data
http://tinyurl.com/GROSVENORSUCKS  Warman v. Grosvenor, 2008 CanLII 57728 
(ON SC)