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kpollak@portal.ca (Karl Pollak) wrote:

>eds@islandnet.com (Ed Seedhouse) wrote:

>>Mr. Corman should try to remember that others have access to the
>>records before he tells such transparant falsehoods.  From the Parks
>>report:

>Ed, I'm starting to get really fed up with your ignorant outbursts and with
>you constant labelling of anybody who says something you don't want to hear
>as a liar.  

Poor baby.

>So far, you have been proven wrong every single time you click
>your keyboard and you keep coming back with more slime, more insults and
>more denials of proven facts.

We all know that Karl just *never* stoops to insults, don't we?
Right. 

>>	"Provincial Gaming Branch records show that NCHS and related society
>>	bingos raised $18,207,176 between 1970, when British  Columbia first
>>	issued bingo licenses, and 1993. After prizes of  $10,722,324 were

>>	taken into account, the Societies allocated  $4,791,725 to local 	
>>	Nanaimo charities and spent $2,693,127  to operate and administer the 
>>	bingos."

>>If Mr. Corman were to actually perform some simple arithmetic on those
>>figures he would discover, perhaps to his amazement, that the amounts
>>allocated to prizes, charities, and administration exactly equal the
>>amounts taken in.

>That is blatant bullshit, and you damned well know it.  If you don't know
>it, you must be much dumber than I thought.

What Karl calls "bullshit" is straight out of the Parks report,
verbatim.

>What the Lotteries Branch has in its records is what Stupich, Hackwood,
>Howard and other Socialist bright sparks fed them.  We already know for a
>fact that those records were falsified. Proven, even admitted.

But Parks looked a little deeper.

>>So where are the millions that went to the N.D.P.? 

>We already know that NCHS "gave a charity $1200 and accepted, scratch that,
>extorted their "donation" of $900.  Witness the Nanaimo  Vocational
>Rehabilitation Workshop for the Handicapped:

This is true, but irrelevant to the matter at hand.  Karl seems to
love bringing in irrelevant data and asserting loudly that it proves
something.  None of the facts Karl lists thereafter have any bearing
on the assertion that the money was used to "run" the party.

>>By
>>no stretch of the imagination could the money paid to the Democrat be
>>said to have been used to "RUN THEIR 'MORALLY SUPERIOR PARTY" as Mr.
>>Neufeld shouted.

>There is no need to stretch any imagination. The only excuse for existence
>for the Democrat is to print the NDP party newsletter. As you admit
>yourself it is wholly owned and operated by the NDP.

And that is the point, of course, though Mr. Polak seems to be too
blinded by malice to see it.  "Owned and operated the NDP" is not the
same as being the NDP.  If the C.E.O. of a wholly owned subsidiary of
a multinational is found to have committed fraud is the president of
the multinational held responsible?  Of course not.

>>> Perhaps you could suggest where the money went to if it didn't
>>>go to enhance the treasury of the NDP.

>>In fact there is no need to suggest anything.  If, once again, Mr.
>>Corman had actually *read* the Parks report he would find that the
>>money taken in improper kickbacks was used to help recover from a
>>"disastrous investment" the NCHS made in two pieces of real estate.
>>To quote from Parks once again:

>>	"From 1985 to 1988, most of the money donated to NCHS  Charities
>>	Society was used to retire the bank debt and repay  debenture
>>	holders."

>>This was probably  illegal and certainly immoral, of course, but in no
>>way did it have anything whatsoever to do with funding the NDP.

>Then read the excerpts from Stupich's letters that Parks quotes. In 1991 he
>wrote ot NCHS members: "our only reason for existing as a Society is to
>help the NDP ..." 

Of course Stupich couldn't have been attempting to draw the heat away
from himself, oh no.  

>Over 25 years, Stupich reassured any inquiring members that the money
>indeed went to the NDP, to NDP elections campaigns and other expenses
>associated with running the party.  

And Karl believes Stupich over Parks.  Strange.

>It also went into paying off Bob Williams a measly $80,000 to step aside
>and allow Barrett to get back into the Legislature.  It wasn't only the
>"reputable accounting firm" of Marwood Services who had an account set
>aside for the NDP, the NCHS had several of them. Party headquearters, NDP
>Caucus, Stupich election campaign, etc   had accounts at NCHS.

Once again these are all irrelevant matters.  The criminality here is
the use of moneys that should have gone to charities.  The money that
other organizations may have deposited in or invested in the NCHS has
nothing to do with that, any more than the money I deposit in a bank
has anything to do with the embezling the staff of the bank might do.

>You have accused me of lying here about the BC Endowment fund a few days
>ago.  When I shoved the words of your own government in your face, you just
>disappeared. No protest, no apology (I should live so long), not even "it
>never happened", nothing. Just cowardly silence. 

Poor Karl is hallucinating again.


Ed Seedhouse
Victoria, B.C.

"Do you get that restless feeling 
 when you hear a whistle blast,
 like an echo from the past, 
 of a cold diesel rolling down 
 a road that's built to last?"

- G. Lightfoot