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Ravachol@debug.cuc.ab.ca writes:
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>>First off, I fail to see how this connects to Greenpeace.  As has already
>>been noted, this event was an FBI sting operation set up by an
>>individual called Mike Fain who was using the name Mike Tait at the
>>time.  There was no "blowing up" of the plant.  Knocking over power lines
>>leading *away* from the plant is *quite* different.  Obviously this is a
>>case of purposeful and blatent exaggeration to garner better ratings on
>>behalf of Danish TV-2.


Are you saying that there exists no individuals who are in both the "EF! 
movement" and are members of Greenpeace...or at least sympathizers of 
Greenpeace's motives/agenda/tactics?  I postulate that their is a high 
correlation between the motives/tactics/agendas of people in the EF! 
movement and people who are associated with Greenpeace.  Even if there 
weren't, what one environmental group (be it organization or movement) does 
affects the image of those groups that are thought to be associated with 
them.  It's analgous to industries...if MacMillan-Bloedel clearcuts and we 
deem this practice bad and MB as bad, then it is typically 
generalized/inferred that all large forest products firms are bad - 
regardless of their harvesting techniques.  Jym's [sic] Greenpeace 
news articles repeatedly use this method of confusion to garner support 
for their cause. 

stigop@stud.unit.no (Stig Oppedal) replies:
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>Obviously this is a case of yet another poster making bold claims about
>the program without actually having SEEN it. I have, and this nuclear
>power plant scam was NOT an issue - in fact, I don't think it was
>mentioned AT ALL. The accusations against Earth First! were terrorist
>activities such as spiking trees, damaging forestry equipment, etc.


Ravachol@debug.cuc.ab.ca writes: 
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>>Well, tommorrow I go into my office at GP to
>>balance our petty cash account.  If I'm off by nine bucks am  going to
>>wind up on Danish TV as having sifoned millions into private Swiss
>>accounts?  Not that big a leap when you look at the blatant
>>misrepresentation of ef! issue above.
 
Do you work for Georgia-Pacific?


stigop@stud.unit.no (Stig Oppedal) replies:
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>The leader of Greenpeace, Uta Bellison, admitted that the money the French
>government payed for blowing up Rainbow Warrior (20 mill. dollars ?) had
>NOT been used to buy a new ship, as had been claimed, and I believe the
>money was placed in some fund that could only be accesed by a select
>few high up in the GP hierarchy, including David McTaggert, who
>officially was no longer a senior officail of GP.If I'm not much
>mistaken, Uta Bellison distanced herself from ecogroups who use violence,
>including EF!, and she claimed that Greenpeace refused to work with such
>groups (she herself made no distinction between "groups" and "movements").
>Much was her surprise when the interviewer gave her evidence of such
>collaberation taking place, as well as several members of GP being members
>of EF!.

It doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that, essentially, Greenpeace 
and the EF! movement have A LOT in common.  Therefore, the collaboration 
between the group and the movement isn't all that suprising.
 
>It could be a good idea to actually see the program before making sweeping
>condemnations. I myself was not entirely convinced by the program, esp.
>the EF! part, but IMO the hypocrosy of David McTagert was pretty well
>documented.

Did you happen to tape this.  I'd like to see a copy of it.  Email me and 
let me know <woodlab@u.washington.edu>.

Steve Shook
Center for Int'l Trade in Forest Products (gov't funded)
College of Forest Resources
University of Washington, Seattle