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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:01:57 GMT, "Semper Liber"
<nopolicestates??@freedom4�ll.xxx> wrote:

>Power to the people? Patriots arise and defend your country from freedom
>robbers foreign and domestic!
>
>
>Gun law spurs no violence - No problems arising from concealed weapons
>permits.
>
Who gives a flying fuck what they do in do in the demented states?

>By PATRICK SULLIVAN
>Original URL: http://www.record-eagle.com/2002/apr/07guns.htm
>
>      TRAVERSE CITY - Nine months after a state law that allows most people
>over the age of 21 to qualify for a concealed weapons permit, worries that
>gun violence would soar have not materialized and few glitches in the law
>have been reported.
>
>      "It's obvious that people aren't shooting each other over traffic
>disputes, there's no blood in the street," said David Bieganowski, a
>Traverse City lawyer and chapter president of the Michigan Coalition for
>Responsible Gun Owners.
>
>      Michigan law was changed July 1, 2001, to allow citizens over 21 to
>receive a concealed weapons permit if they have completed a gun safety
>course unless they have been convicted of a felony or certain misdemeanors
>or have a history of mental illness.
>
>      Bieganowski, who is also a National Rifle Association certified
>firearms instructor and teaches the legal section of the gun safety course
>at several sportsman's clubs, said the biggest complaint he has heard is
>from people who have been denied permits because they have been cited for
>driving with an expired license plate.
>
>      Because the law bars anyone with certain misdemeanors within the past
>eight years or any misdemeanor within the past three years from getting a
>permit, a violation for driving with an expired plate, a misdemeanor in
>Michigan, forces gun boards to deny permits.
>
>      Department of Natural Resources fishing violations can also cause an
>applicant a three-year delay in obtaining a permit.
>
>      "I'm sure it was an unintended consequence," Bieganowski said. "They
>call me and I tell them to call their state representative because I can't
>do anything about it."
>
>      The overwhelming majority of people who apply for permits are granted
>them, according to records kept by the Michigan State Police and county
>clerks.
>
>      In Grand Traverse County, 454 people have applied. Of those, five have
>been denied, 352 have been approved, and 97 are pending. Across northwest
>Lower Michigan, 2,273 people have applied, 14 have been denied, 1,798 have
>been approved and 461 are pending.
>
>      Across the region, just over 10 percent of the applicants are women.
>Of the 1,798 permits approved, 182 went to women.
>
>      The level of interest shown by women prompted Bieganowski to hold a
>"women-only" concealed weapon training course at the Cedar Rod & Gun Club in
>June. The class, announced last month, has already almost filled.
>
>      "Women seem to light up a bit when they hear 'women-only,' "
>Bieganowski said.
>
>      Many of the women who have already attended Bieganowski's classes are
>wives of men who own handguns. Women are more likely to want a concealed
>weapon permit for the purpose of personal protection than men, he said.
>
>      "I'm sure the reasons are different and self-protection is the No. 1
>reason for women, some men get them just out of principal," he said.
>
>      No shootings in northern Michigan have been connected to concealed
>weapon permit holders.
>
>      Wilson Brott, a lawyer who has also provided legal training for
>applicants, said the requirements to get a permit are meant to discourage
>violence.
>
>      "What we try to do is make sure people are real wary of even pulling
>out your firearm," Brott said.
>
>      The law also more severely restricts where people can carry a
>concealed weapon. Forbidden areas include bars, schools, churches, day care
>centers, hospitals and sports arenas.
>
>      Missaukee County's gun board began issuing permits under the new law
>months before it took effect and they have seen no problems with permit
>holders, Missaukee Sheriff James Bosscher said.
>
>      "Some people want them for traveling, some people want to carry, some
>people want them just because it's their right," Bosscher said.
>
>      Patrick Sullivan is the reporter for crime, courts and public safety.
>He can be reached at (231) 933-xxxx, or at psullivan@record-eagle.com
>
>
>> "Here is a law which is above the King and Parliament, and which even He
>and
>> They must not and may not legally break. And in the event they or anyone
>> else were to try to abrogate it, such attempt at abrogation shall have no
>> force nor effect [1297] and can be safely ignored with no legal ill
>effect.
>> In addition, in the event of successful attempts at abrogation of such
>> liberties, customs, or rights, the King has commanded and do hereby compel
>> any and all subjects to swear oath to join the barons to assail the
>> properties and persons and families of those (saving the King, Queen and
>the
>> royal children) who had successfully completed such abrogation, including
>> but not limited to that of the individual Members of Parliament who had
>> voted in favour of any such successful attempts at abrogation [1215]. This
>> reaffirmation of a supreme law and its expression in a general charter is
>> the great work of Magna Carta; and this alone justifies the respect in
>which
>> men have held it."
>>
>>
>> --Quote by Sir Winston Churchill, 1956
>
>>
>> > The gun can only be legally used for target shooting
>> > there fore it should be stored where it is used.
>>
>> The gun can be used to lawfully defend ones person or property when
>> threatened..... This is a fundamental right, and any law that states
>> otherwise can be safely ignored. End of Story.
>>
>> Per Arbour and LeBel JJ. : Section 88(1) of the Criminal Code requires a
>> subjective mens rea. Constitutional considerations aside, there is a
>common
>> law presumption that, absent a clear expression of Parliamentary intent, a
>> person is not liable for a criminal offence in the absence of subjective
>> mens rea. However, the elements of the offence must be distinguished from
>> the evidentiary problems that arise in any offence where the trier of fact
>> is called on to determine the subjective intent of an accused. To do this,
>> the trier of fact must look at the externalities or objective indicia of
>the
>> accused's state of mind.
>>      Under s. 88(1), an accused's subjective purpose must be one that is
>> dangerous to the public peace. To avoid importing an objective element
>into
>> a purely subjective approach, the concept of a "purpose dangerous to the
>> public peace" needs to be given concrete content. Within the meaning of s.
>> 88(1), it is the possession of a weapon with the intention of doing harm
>to
>> persons or property, or showing reckless disregard for harm to persons or
>> property. Section 88(1) does not require actual use of the weapon, but
>does
>> require possession of a weapon coupled with an additional intention.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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