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On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:18:29 -0700, Kelly Bert Manning
<ua602@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:

>On 13 Jun 2001 hiflight@ecn.ab.ca wrote:
>
>My but you love to rant about things you have no knowledge of.

Then you and Joe should get along just fine.

Mammon. 

>
>"Export" of software jobs to the USA is limited by the number of people in
>the USA who can write jobs. The success of the Airbus Consortium in Europe
>has left software as the only hi-tech area where the USA is still in
>contention for leading.
>
>You also have a very limited understanding of where software jobs are.
>
>Take Oracle for example. For all the hype it remains a very complex tool.
>
>Any Oracle application, no matter how simple, requires a full time DB
>Admin to keep it tuned. An Oracle application of any size or complexity
>requires a full time team of DBAs. It is very hard to do that by remote
>access from the USA or from India. Someone I know who works for Oracle did
>live in a bachelor pad in Redwood City, California for a while but his
>family stayed in Victoria and he is back here now as well. IT isn't just
>about software, IBM has 3 major product areas, hardware, software and IBM
>Global Services. Reports in the IT press have described IGS as IBM's
>biggest cash cow these days. Getting an IT system up and keeping it
>running involves more than just buying hardware and software and having
>someone do a 1 time installation.
>
>BTW, my wife and I do quite nicely without 2 full incomes, thank you very
>much for your concern about us supossedly being squeezed for income. She
>did work full time for several years, but we weren't squeezed, in fact we
>paid off the $70,000 mortgages on our first home in 6 years despite the
>Regan and Bush recessions. Back before direct deposit she used to have
>credit union clerks make envious remarks about her salary. They got even
>more envious when she mentioned that she was only working 3 days a week. 
>
>> 
>> Kelly Bert Manning (ua602@victoria.tc.ca) wrote:
>> : On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, SunnyJim wrote:
>> : > 
>> : > A bunch of letters at the end of someone's name means nothing. Lots of
>> : > Phd's drive cabs and many more without anything have amassed great
>> : > wealth thru their own drive and determination. Education means nothing
>> 
>> What you mean is capitalists that are ignorant, illiterate and whose
>> religion is that of Mammon. The "creed" is lying, cheating and stealing.
>> Yea, we know all about it, for hundreds of years in fact.
>> 
>> One other thing. This group of pagans vote for either the communist or the
>> conservative form of government.
>
>"Pagan" can be used as a perjorative term and real pagans would probably
>take exception to being associated with the type of person you are
>referring to. On the contrary I find pro-capitalists most often have
>deeply held but ignorant right wing christian views. Christian loons also
>show up at the left wing end of the spectrum, eg. the Rev. Tommy Douglas.
>
>I seem to have pushed one of your buttons. Take a deep breath and relax,
>then try to distinguish between few actual wealthy capitalists who own
>stocks and pro-capitalist paupers who imagine that they too could be
>millionaires if they just picked the right horse to bet on or invented a
>better mouse trap.
>
>The dot.bomb recession was predicted in 1999 by Ted Lewis, writing in IEEE
>Spectrum about "The Crash of 2000". It doesn't seem that different from
>other recent bubbles related to Real Estate or to junk bonds. Remember
>when bidding wars used to break out in Toronto as soon as a For Sale sign
>showed up in front of a house? There were a lot of geniuses who thought
>they'd become realtors or stock brokers during previous economic bubbles. 
>Like the dot.bombers they had to find something else to do for a living
>when the bubble burst.
>
>IT is a basic part of the infrastructure of most business these days. Can
>you imagine what phone service would be like if calls still required a
>manual connection to be made by operators? I used to shop at SaveOn
>foods back before they started requiring you to have their stupid card in
>order to pay the same price charged by the other stores. I preferred to go
>on Sunday evening because it was less crowded. One Sunday evening I notice
>that the parking lot is completely full and I figure crap, there must be a
>sale or special event going on. When I entered the store I found that none
>of the tills was able to scan and total up purchases because of a computer
>crash. Customers were lined up from the tills all the way to the back and
>then along the width of the building at the back of the line, some had
>apparently been there for hours. I was amazed that so many people would
>just stand there and wait for so long, rather than walking out.
>
>Everything was working except the computers. Lights, power, plumbing, air
>heating and cooling refrigeration, meat slicers and scales, phones, etc.
>but without a working IT system the whole investment was useless and not
>generating a single cent in income. Smart business operators know what the
>risks are and don't skimp on paying for the expertise to keep their IT
>systems up and running efficiently.
>