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On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:30:00 -0700, Kelly Bert Manning
<ua602@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, SunnyJim wrote:
>> 
>> A bunch of letters at the end of someone's name means nothing. Lots of
>> Phd's drive cabs and many more without anything have amassed great
>> wealth thru their own drive and determination. Education means nothing
>> unless you are appealing to a crowd that requires the comfort of some
>> level of education. Backroads and other high end bike touring
>> companies have lots of bike mechanics and tour guides that have BA's
>> and MA's. See what that got them.
>
>So you are ignorant and proud of it?

Ignorant of what? 

>
>How come someone as smart as you isn't a millionaire?

How do you know I am not?

>
>The biggest lesson out of the current economic system is that wealth
>generally belongs to a hereditary clique, eg. William Gates III, etc.

Shure shure. FYI bullet head, 768 of the richest people in the world
are self made. You can look it up in Forbes if you can find a library.


>
>Getting a degree doesn't mean that much and doesn't guarantee a job, but
>people with a clue make the right choices. I was about to start the final
>year of a physics honours program when I realized that the same Ph.Ds that
>were teaching my first year labs were still teaching labs 4 years later.

Wow, you did learn something: too much education is limiting.

The remainder of your post is semi-intellectual masturbation. 

>
>A switch to a 5 year double major left me with a double degree in physics
>and computing that has left me with virtually guaranteed job security and
>no reason to put up with a working environment I don't like. I remember
>having envious people commenting "you're lucky to both still have jobs" to
>my wife or myself back in the depression/recession in the early 80s. We
>just give them a puzzled look and ask if they knew any unemployed computer
>programmers. There were a few in Ontario, but the concensus was that they
>either couldn't move for some reason or were the ones who could only get
>employed when employers were extremely desperate. Even as a student I had
>someone call me once and offer me a job as soon as they heard me tell them
>what SPSS stood for.
>
>It's quite interesting how many people with science or engineering degrees
>end up in computing. As for letters after your name, that gets you in the
>door, but you can either make computers do what they are supposed to for a
>reaonable cost or you can't. If you can't people won't pay you to stay
>around unless they are very desperate, which does happen sometimes.
>
>http://www2.mybc.com/news/bc/fs.cfm?source_id=&id=898877
>"IT workers in short supply: study
>VANCOUVER (CKNW) - A survey commissioned by the federal government 
>shows what the information-technology sector has
>been saying for years: IT workers are in short supply."
>
>http://www.shrc.ca/lmi/index.html
>
>Why an I going on about IT? Well for one thing, it will overtake forestry
>as an economic factor in the province, if it hasn't already. The only
>limit is the number of qualified employees available. It takes a lot less
>time to train an IT professional that it does to grow a tree. Forestry
>propagandists used to trot out bogus statistics using ridiculous spin off
>factors to try and inflate their position in the economic scheme of thigs,
>but people figured out that it was bogus decades ago. IT just keeps on
>growing at double digit %s every year, while old growth available for
>strip mining/clear cutting gets scarcer every year.
>
>BTW, I'll take the views of anyone with a biology or related degree over
>yours anytime, but why waste your time trying to convince people in BC? 
>It seems that the market places of USA and Europe are where the real
>decisions are being made about what is happening in BC forests. If you
>can't peddle diapers or newsprint made out of centuries old trees there is
>no point in cutting down the trees in the first place. You don't even have
>to convince the entire consumer base. Even a 1% shift in buying preference
>is enough to get the attention of wood fibre industry customers. 
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