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the artist spidie wrote:

> On Mon, 01 Dec 1997 03:24:09 -0600, demon evangout@hhs.net wrote:
> My favorites are: Gen 3:15, John 3:16, Eph 2:8, Gal 5:4-6 & the entire
> epistle of James.

I notice the exclusion of Romans 10:9-10 which indicates that salvation is
based on believing and confessing Jesus Lord.

> >Ask him/her if they think they were "born again" at
> >infant baptism.
> Yes.

Please reconsider in light of above verses which indicate believing is
required to be born again.

> yeah right.
> Thats not what the bible says:
>
> 1) Sacraments (generally) required for salvation:
>  (a) Baptism required for salvation. Jesus said "whoever believes
> *and* is baptised will be saved."
>  (b) Eucharist required for salvation. Jesus said "unless you eat the
> flesh & drink the blood of the Son of Man you do not have life within
> you."
>

1a. Are you absolutely, without a doubt, postive that the baptism is that of
water?  If that is so, please reconsider in light of Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8,
John 1:33.  Note Acts 1:5 in conjunction with Acts 2:1ff.

1b. So we are to literally eat Jesus flesh and literally drink his blood.  No
thank you, thats cannibalism.  Maybe reconsider in light of figures of speech
used in the Bible.  See Ez 3:1-2.  Also how about reading in context from
verse Luke 6:47 where it is in believing that we have eternal life.
Believing the complete salvation available via Jesus Christ.  The flesh
having to do with us having physical health (1Peter 2:24) and by the shedding
of his blood we have spirtual health (Eph 1:7, Heb 9:12).

> 2) Good works play important role in salvation:
> "A person is justified by his works and not by faith alone."
>                                      -James 2:24

Yep, there is not true believing if there is no action on the Word of God.

> 3) The Church plays important role in salvation. Christ declared the
> Church to be the final authority in matters. (Matt 18:17) Also there
> would be no bible unless there the Church had God given authority to
> declare what is and isn't Sacred Scripture.

The Church is the ekklesia..the called out people of God.  It has to do with
those people standing in one accord.  Please show me where God gave authority
to the Roman Church to declare what is His Word.

> 4) Virgin Mary also plays essential role. There would be no Christ
> w/out her cooperation in the incarnation.

Virgin Mary?  Why do you still call Mary a virgin?  And there would be a
Christ with or without Mary.  God would have had to set it up so that some
other woman would have believed God and brought forth the Saviour.

> This is where Protestanism trips and breaks it's neck. Why is it that
> over 30,000+ Protestant denominations claim to be guided by the Holy
> Spirit yet can't even agree on simple things like the interpretation
> of Scripture? Is the Holy Spirit leading you guys to all this
> confusion? The bible says that God is not the author of confusion.
> Therefore since the Protestant churches are mired in all this
> confusion, God is certainly not guiding them.

I agree with you..but that does not mean that the Roman Church is guided by
God either.  The main problem with most people is that they do not let the
Word interpret itself.  If this was allowed and people followed Romans 12,
the multitude of denominations would disappear.

Peace in Christ