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In article <6381.6963T1354T1786@ping.be>, Philippe Duchenne
<Philippe.Duchenne@ping.be> wrote:

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>   Standard: Whole characteristics and norms to which one can refer for
>             products or values of the same nature.

Sure. So what is the standard with many forces pulling in different
directions? Which is more valid?

>   Does this seems a good "excuse" to you ?

No, because it clearly doesn't satisfy everyone, it merely satisfies a
minority. The others want more.
 
> > are in a clear minority. Standards are not set by minorities. That's what
> > we usually refer to as oppression if we don't like 'em.
> 
>   Minorities are always complaining...
>   Minorities are disturbing our comfort...

I don't want to get rid of them. I want them to be heard. I don't like
setting the standards after them, though. As much as possible are done to
satisfy minorities in modern communities, but you can't let them decide how
everything should work, because then you would be ignoring all those who
are not fortunate enough to be part of a minority. It applies to modern
life, you live by it, but it should not be valid on the WWW?
 
>   "COME IN MY WONDERLAND ! EVERYTHING IS EASY, FUNNY, COOL !  THERE'S
>    SUN, THERE'S HAPPINESS, THERE'S...
> 
>    What ?  You don't even have one dollar ???
> 
>    Er... This wonderland is not for you, you need dollars to enter here.
>    Come back later and be welcome if you have some."

If you are not interested in buying, you're not very interesting to the
companies. That easy. Has been so for the past five or six thousand years,
ever since humans started doing trade.

Commersialism applies to this medium just as it does everywhere else in our
world. You may not like it. I don't for sure. I'm a marxist. Still, it's
reality. And it will certainly become even more real to you. Even now,
1997, lynxists have good control and are fairly strong in numbers, but
nowadays netscapers are far more common. You are not allowed to drive
Trabants here in Sweden because they're very unenvironmentalfriendly.
Similarly, browsers who don't support what Netscape supports *today* are
based on old standards and will most definitely be replaced in the near
future. As for Lynx, I hope it is being updated to support *the features
people clearly want*, not an obsolete "standard".

>   "What ?  There are still people reading black text on white background ?
>    in our century ??? (warf, warf)

Heh hehe heheheh. Yeah, Beavis, that was cool!

*Learn* about it and I'd be more than willing to discuss typography with you.
 
>   "Blind people ?  No, they are not human !"

If you're not listening, I can't help you. Cutting down on that laughter
might help you.
 
> > As for the W3C's role, take a look at some of the member companies. Adobe
> > has Pagemill, which generates terrible HTML; Apple are proud of the BMW USA
>       ^^^^^^^^
>    Use something else   

I do. I never said I use Pagemill. I use BB Edit. And Jot.
                        
>   *O U R*  World Wide Web !  WWW is a common place for EVERYONE !
>   It's up to *us* to share it in peace and tolerance.

No. * Y O U R * WWW. Which is kept in shape by a nice consortium who wants
everyone to be able to see everything. Who is supported by companies who
don't give a damn.

My WWW is like a trip to the city to buy some stuff on which I will buy
stuff from the companies who has the most appealing displays with the stuff
I want. If I happen to trip on their entrance carpet because I for some
strange reason am wearing six inch heels, I wouldn't blame the company. I
would leave, sure, but more because I would be ashamed of myself than
because the company had erred (stupid-browser-choice analogy).

>   Not that much as long as there are still a lot of people thinking
>   Microsoft is THE way to go just because so many people already follow it.

Ah. You might be getting the point. Too many use their products as it is.
Yup. That's why even more will be using them when they make IE a part of
their OS. Or do you think everybody will switch to OS/2 or Amigas all of a
sudden? Won't happen. Similarly, people won't switch from Netscape and IE.

//thomas
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