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In article <5ci7kk$o9j$1@euas20.eua.ericsson.se>,
tina@spirou.uab.ericsson.se (Tina Marie Holmboe) wrote:

>   What you seemingly don't manage to pick up, is that fact that you don't
> know what the person -- the potential *buyer* -- in the other end has. You
> don't *know* whether that person is blind, but still able to buy a present
> for his family - a present that you'd dearly love to sell. When you don't
> cater for that blind person, you *dont do your job*.

No. Once again. But I will know for sure that he or she MOST LIKELY is
using a browser made either by Netscape or IE. I will know for sure that IT
WAS NOT UNTIL GRAPHICS ENTERED THE INTERNET THAT IT GOT COMMERCIAL. Do you
even understand what I am saying? Just today I experienced a case of
someone at my office asking me what Opera is. When I told them about it and
roughly how many use it (I said a few percent, and that's a lie for sure),
they said "Oh well, we can't bother about them".

>   It is that simple. Especially since catering for all is built into HTML.
> Its only when you *dont* want to cater for them that the job gets difficult.

I'm working on a lovely site that will be accessible by all. You will be
able to view it on February 25 or so. I could get back here and announce it
for you. But that happens to be a site where that is very easily done. And
the company's customers won't leave because the site will not be very
interactive. On the other hand, it will not be able to pull customers in
like (www.)Honda(.com)'s site is. And when the client wants customers to be
PULLED in, they will ask for something that will PULL the customers in and
that simply won't do. (Hint: your own site wouldn't either.)

>   You don't know Lynx, do you ? Lynx supports *more* HTML than NS and IE,
> it supports any animation, sound or image you can dream up; and it has more
> features and advanced functions than Netscape and Microsoft have ever
> imagined.

Again--depends on how you happen to be defining HTML. Your definition is
clearly different from that of most other users of the WWW.

>   However: lets take our millionaire blind fellow again.

Well, sorry, Mr. Millionaire, but I guess the thousand other customers who
did stay for a while during their lunch break because our initial Java
applet animation got them interested made up for the loss of sales to you.

> Unless explicitly stated otherwise, the
> opinions expressed are mine, and should
> in no way be associated with the WDG.

You should add Ericsson to this, assuming you work for them. You see, you
cannot possibly be expressing their opinions as they happen to work with a
company that hires a klutz like me ...

Oh, by the way, Ms Holmboe, you erroneously claimed in a different thread
that browsers must be tested in 8-, 16-, 24- and 32-bit color. What about
users with merely 4-bit color? Or monochrome? Do you make sure that colors
won't look like crap on their monitors?

As for 16-, 24- and 32-bit color, you need to study more. All these bit
depths display true colors, meaning that colors are displayed as intended.
Your "test" would quickly be reduced to half the number of tries, and you
would only have to try bit depth once on each platform, in any of the
browsers, since your three browsers happen to support the 216 palette.

Basically, what you did there was lie. Either because you don't know better
or because your arguments are strawman arguments and you have to add some
"spice" to them.

I personally prefer to test each page ten or twenty times rather than have
them merely go through a validator that will merely check that the code
*is* correct, not that it is *displayed* correctly. And no, not everything
is acceptible just because we're speaking about portable documents. I won't
claim pixel-by-pixel control, but I sure as hell wouldn't satisfy for as
little as you do.

//thomas
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