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Article #968Re: Help requested for LM318
From: Tweetldee
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 03:33
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 03:33
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"Rob Paisley" <rpaisley4@cogeco.ca> wrote in message news:bb39a577.0304291800.392d720b@posting.google.com... > Here is some Comparator information. > > http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/Comparators.html > > You could adapt one of the time delay circuits about 1/2 way down > the page to eliminate any jitter but it should not be a problem with > such a large spread between the high and low current levels. > > At 725 milliamps the voltage drop across 0.3 ohms should be about > 0.22 Volts > > Use a threshold voltage of about 0.1 Volts. This will give a > detection level of about 330 milliamps. > > This is assuming the resistor is in the common side of the circuit. > If it is in the supply side a simple comparator will not work. > > Rob. > > > "Werner" <Werner@NoSpam.com> wrote in message news:<Cfsra.66831$t_2.6142@afrodite.telenet-ops.be>... > > Hi fellow electronics enthusiasts, > > > > I'm trying to build a on/off detection circuit, which is able to check if > > the connected LCD monitor TV is in standby mode (31 mAmps/12 volts) or > > active mode (725 mAmps/12 volts). I have put a 0.3 Ohm resistance in series > > with the 12 Volts DC power supply, so I have a small voltage drop across my > > 0.3 Ohm resistance, maybe enough to measure this drop using an LM311 > > comparator IC. > > > > But I'm afraid that the LM311 might go into an oscillation state as the > > voltage drop is small ... so I've thought about adding an LM318 (diff. > > amplifier) in front of the LM311 to boost the voltage drop signal ... but I > > don't seem to be able to get this to work correctly. Both LM's I would like > > to power off the 12 Volts DC supply of the LCD monitor. > > > > Can anybody suggest? How to wire it up? > > > > Thanks a million, > > > > > > Werner Won't work that way either, because the LM311 isn't a rail-rail chip. The input has to be at least 1 to 1.25 V less than the positive rail and greater than 0.2 to 3 V above the negative rail. My advice is to either use a differential gain stage between the sense resistor and the comparator or find a comparator that can handle rail-rail inputs. Better yet is to get a high-side sense amp such as the MAX471 or Max472. The MAX471 has the sense resistor built-in, and it's only 0.035 ohms, making a lot less voltage drop at the load. Check the data sheet and app notes for these chips at http://www.maxim-ic.com/PowerSupplies.cfm. Tweetldee
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