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On Tuesday, in article <7vm0nq$7ki$1@newssrv.otenet.gr>
     dpitsi@otenet.gr "Dimitris Pitsiningos DDS MSc" wrote:

> Hi all!
> 
> i am new to ISDN and I'd like some help...
> 
> I am tying to divert incoming calls to my mobile phone (dcs 1800) but when i
> dial *21*mobile_number# I get a busy tone just after *21*.

Errm, in which country are you doing this (I see you're posting from a
Greek domain[1])?

> I asked my phone company, but they said it is the phones I use (panasonic
> phone/fax model no kx-f700 and siemens gigaset 2011 pocket - both connected
> on POTS plugs) not the line.

How are your POTS phones connected to your ISDN line?  Are you using an
iSPBX?  Or have you a data TA that happens to have some POTS sockets on
it?

> Could anyone explain what does it mean? Both phones use tone dialing and
> they were working fine when I had the analog line (I could divert my
> calls...)

If you were in the UK, the simple answer would be that there are NO "star
services" on an ISDN connection.  So it's up to your ISDN TA to perform
the diversion/reflection/forwarding itself.  However, OTE may do things
differently.

Customers of BT with HH or BH (Home Highway or Business Highway) *can*
have star services, because the POTS ports on the NTE and the signalling
protocol they use extends many of the old analogue services to them.

If you *are* in the UK, you'd be better off diverting this query to
uk.telecom; demon.service.isdn is meant for queries about using ISDN for
*data* connections to Demon Internet Services Ltd, a UK-based ISP.  I
cannot speak for the various other groups that happen to have isdn in
their names, to which you cross-posted this query, although I would
hazard a guess that all of them except for comp.dcom.isdn would have a
similar remit.

[1] Indeed, posting from what would appear to be a domain run by the
Greek national telephone company.
-- 
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                         bhk@dsl.co.uk
    "But we're a university.  We /have/ to have a library!..."said Ridcully,
         "What sort of people would we be if we didn't go into the library?"
    "Students", said the Senior Wrangler, morosely. [TP: The Last Continent]

Thanks for the immediate response!!!

I am in Greece and OTE said that I CAN use *21*... for diverting. They just
said it's up to my telephone devices to make it work... (and that's what I
don't understand since my telephones were working FINE with the old analog
line I had - I mean I HAD diversion with *21*...)

I have an Intracom TA with 2 ISDN sockets 2 POTS and a 25 pin serial
connector. My telephones are DIRECTLY connected to the TA POTS sockets (No
PBX of any sort)

Please follow the link to see the specifications of the TA:
http://www.intracom.gr/newsite/isdn-net.htm


Do you still have any suggestions?

Thanks again
Dimitris

Brian {Hamilton Kelly} <bhk@dsl.co.uk> wrote in message
news:19991102.1841.28752snz@dsl.co.uk...
> On Tuesday, in article <7vm0nq$7ki$1@newssrv.otenet.gr>
>      dpitsi@otenet.gr "Dimitris Pitsiningos DDS MSc" wrote:
>
> > Hi all!
> >
> > i am new to ISDN and I'd like some help...
> >
> > I am tying to divert incoming calls to my mobile phone (dcs 1800) but
when i
> > dial *21*mobile_number# I get a busy tone just after *21*.
>
> Errm, in which country are you doing this (I see you're posting from a
> Greek domain[1])?
>
> > I asked my phone company, but they said it is the phones I use
(panasonic
> > phone/fax model no kx-f700 and siemens gigaset 2011 pocket - both
connected
> > on POTS plugs) not the line.
>
> How are your POTS phones connected to your ISDN line?  Are you using an
> iSPBX?  Or have you a data TA that happens to have some POTS sockets on
> it?
>
> > Could anyone explain what does it mean? Both phones use tone dialing and
> > they were working fine when I had the analog line (I could divert my
> > calls...)
>
> If you were in the UK, the simple answer would be that there are NO "star
> services" on an ISDN connection.  So it's up to your ISDN TA to perform
> the diversion/reflection/forwarding itself.  However, OTE may do things
> differently.
>
> Customers of BT with HH or BH (Home Highway or Business Highway) *can*
> have star services, because the POTS ports on the NTE and the signalling
> protocol they use extends many of the old analogue services to them.
>
> If you *are* in the UK, you'd be better off diverting this query to
> uk.telecom; demon.service.isdn is meant for queries about using ISDN for
> *data* connections to Demon Internet Services Ltd, a UK-based ISP.  I
> cannot speak for the various other groups that happen to have isdn in
> their names, to which you cross-posted this query, although I would
> hazard a guess that all of them except for comp.dcom.isdn would have a
> similar remit.
>
> [1] Indeed, posting from what would appear to be a domain run by the
> Greek national telephone company.
> --
> Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
bhk@dsl.co.uk
>     "But we're a university.  We /have/ to have a library!..."said
Ridcully,
>          "What sort of people would we be if we didn't go into the
library?"
>     "Students", said the Senior Wrangler, morosely. [TP: The Last
Continent]
>

On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:07:42 +0200, "Dimitris Pitsiningos DDS MSc"
<dpitsi@otenet.gr> wrote:

>Thanks for the immediate response!!!
>
>I am in Greece and OTE said that I CAN use *21*... for diverting. They just
>said it's up to my telephone devices to make it work... (and that's what I
>don't understand since my telephones were working FINE with the old analog
>line I had - I mean I HAD diversion with *21*...)

ISDN definitely does not use these commands at all. User Call
forwarding is defined by various ETSI standards and thereby is a
standard D channel layer 3 protocol. you require an ISDN phone with 
call forwarding fetaures.

>
>I have an Intracom TA with 2 ISDN sockets 2 POTS and a 25 pin serial
>connector. My telephones are DIRECTLY connected to the TA POTS sockets (No
>PBX of any sort)

Unless you have a hybrid between ISDN and the PSTN (such as the UK's
Highway) Your TA POTS are on the digital channels and you cannot
make them forward by the switch provider. If you have a good TA you
might be able to have local call forwarding but this will take up both
of your channels and incoming calls will receive a busy signal.

Barry Schofield

Special offer on the LION ISDN EASY phone and Linux RH6.0
Lion PCI TA with drivers for Windoze and Linux.
New, web-cams, So-Bus terminaters and multiports
For the latest info on ISDN check out Lion's web site
at www.lioncom.net. 

Barry - please stop misleading people.
You have NO IDEA what this Greek user is using or what it's limitations are.
You probably have even less idea about the Greek PTT's implementation of 
ISDN. ( which is definitely non-standard ).

Barry Schofield (bscho@lioncom.net) wrote:
: On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:07:42 +0200, "Dimitris Pitsiningos DDS MSc"
: <dpitsi@otenet.gr> wrote:

: >Thanks for the immediate response!!!
: >
: >I am in Greece and OTE said that I CAN use *21*... for diverting. They just
: >said it's up to my telephone devices to make it work... (and that's what I
: >don't understand since my telephones were working FINE with the old analog
: >line I had - I mean I HAD diversion with *21*...)

: ISDN definitely does not use these commands at all. User Call
: forwarding is defined by various ETSI standards and thereby is a
: standard D channel layer 3 protocol. you require an ISDN phone with 
: call forwarding fetaures.

: >
: >I have an Intracom TA with 2 ISDN sockets 2 POTS and a 25 pin serial
: >connector. My telephones are DIRECTLY connected to the TA POTS sockets (No
: >PBX of any sort)

: Unless you have a hybrid between ISDN and the PSTN (such as the UK's
: Highway) Your TA POTS are on the digital channels and you cannot
: make them forward by the switch provider. If you have a good TA you
: might be able to have local call forwarding but this will take up both
: of your channels and incoming calls will receive a busy signal.

: Barry Schofield

: Special offer on the LION ISDN EASY phone and Linux RH6.0
: Lion PCI TA with drivers for Windoze and Linux.
: New, web-cams, So-Bus terminaters and multiports
: For the latest info on ISDN check out Lion's web site
: at www.lioncom.net. 

"C. Newport" wrote:
> 
> Barry - please stop misleading people.
> You have NO IDEA what this Greek user is using or what it's limitations are.
> You probably have even less idea about the Greek PTT's implementation of
> ISDN. ( which is definitely non-standard ).
> 
Not to defend Barry, but my copy of the Ovum report states that OTE
was to implement Euro-ISDN by the end of 1995. Were they wrong?

Bob

-- 
"Since when was genius found respectable?"
                         E. B. Browning

Robert Blackshaw (blackshaw@erols.com) wrote:
: "C. Newport" wrote:
: > 
: > Barry - please stop misleading people.
: > You have NO IDEA what this Greek user is using or what it's limitations are.
: > You probably have even less idea about the Greek PTT's implementation of
: > ISDN. ( which is definitely non-standard ).
: > 
: Not to defend Barry, but my copy of the Ovum report states that OTE
: was to implement Euro-ISDN by the end of 1995. Were they wrong?

The reports that I have heard suggest that implementing and rolling out
are two different concepts <B-).

OTOH that may be wrong.

"C. Newport" wrote:
> 
> Robert Blackshaw (blackshaw@erols.com) wrote:
> : "C. Newport" wrote:
> : >
> : > Barry - please stop misleading people.
> : > You have NO IDEA what this Greek user is using or what it's limitations are.
> : > You probably have even less idea about the Greek PTT's implementation of
> : > ISDN. ( which is definitely non-standard ).
> : >
> : Not to defend Barry, but my copy of the Ovum report states that OTE
> : was to implement Euro-ISDN by the end of 1995. Were they wrong?
> 
> The reports that I have heard suggest that implementing and rolling out
> are two different concepts <B-).
> 
> OTOH that may be wrong.

Given the way ISDN "rolled out" here I can understand what you say. :-)

Bob

-- 
"Since when was genius found respectable?"
                         E. B. Browning