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Article #6568Re: What is evolution?
From: Tom Schneider
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1991 03:03
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1991 03:03
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In article <1991Sep15.125452.8523@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> lamoran@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (L.A. Moran) writes: >Please note that in spite of the fact that Tom referred to the standard >definition as "idiocy" and "perverted" I have avoided flaming back.... >even though he obvioulsy doesn't know what he is talking about. (-: No insult taken! I used those words because the standard definition (wow you really called it that!) irritates me. >Tom, why do you believe that fixation of neutral mutations in cytochrome c >is NOT evolution? Do you have another word to describe this process? >What is your personal definition of evolution? For cytochrome c, consider the set of all variants of the protein which satisfy the functional requirements of the organism. As has surprised a number of investigators in the last year or so, many variants of a protein can be made with little effect on function. Consider the sequence logo of this set (PostScript example is in anonymous ftp to ncifcrf.gov in pub/delila/globin.logo.Z; documentation is NAR 18: 6097, 1990.) If a species starts with one particular sequence AND NO FUNCTIONAL REQUIREMENTS CHANGE (I stipulate this merely to make discussion simpler), then the sequence logo does not alter with time. There is no evolution, even if a different sequence is fixed, because the sequence logo made from the altered strain would be the same as the sequence logo from the unaltered strain. Two measures are important. First, in the example above, the information content of the set did not change. Second, the PATTERN (which one sees by using a sequence logo) did not change. I would say evolution occurs when the information content changes. In the case of protein it would seem that one should also count changes in the pattern. (Ie, the logo would look different.) For nucleic acid binding sites, it is not so clear that changes in the pattern have any functional significance, so long as the binding still takes place. Notice that it is the statistical population, corresponding to a (I think) macrocanonical ensemble in statistical mechanics, which is the indicator of evolution. This is why changes that don't matter in a protein are equivalent to rearrangements of water molecules in a glass of water. Such rearrangements don't affect the overall state of the system. >Laurence A. Moran (Larry) >Dept. of Biochemistry Tom Schneider National Cancer Institute Laboratory of Mathematical Biology Frederick, Maryland 21702-1201 toms@ncifcrf.gov
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10a7a9,39219d7a5ed37f7 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a7a9,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1991-09-17 13:32:50 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gmdzi!unido!mcsun!uunet!bionet!lhc!ncifcrf!fcs260c2!toms From: toms@fcs260c2.ncifcrf.gov (Tom Schneider) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.evolution Subject: Re: What is evolution? Message-ID: <2375@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov> Date: 17 Sep 91 03:03:25 GMT References: <1991Sep15.125452.8523@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> Sender: news@ncifcrf.gov Organization: NCI Supercomputer Facility, Frederick, MD Lines: 49