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Article #6606Re: Definition of evolution
From: arlin
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1991 02:48
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1991 02:48
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In a previous posting I suggested that two major probems with the "allele-replacements" definition of evolution are that it does not encompass speciation, nor does it circumscribe genomic changes such as (for example) "molecular drive." Just to make sure that we understand each other, an allele replacement refers to a process involving the following components: a) origin of a new allele by mutation of a pre-existing allele at a locus; b) (optional) transient or long-term maintenance of the new allele by selection or drift; c) increase in frequency and ultimate fixation (reaching a frequency of one) of the new allele (by selection or drift), replacing the old one. Larry and many others define evolution in terms of successive allele replacements, and Larry goes a bit further in suggesting that a single shift in the frequencies of alleles at a locus constitutes evolution. I do not disagree that a succession of allele replacements constitutes evolution, but rather that evolution comprises more than allele replacements. The bases of my two initial objections to the allele-replacements definition are fairly straightforward and can be reiterated (refer to my previous posting for a simple example): First of all, with regard to *speciation*: one population is not the same as two populations, and one population cannot split into two populations by replacing an allele at a locus with another allele at the same locus. Isolating mechanisms (genetic, behavioral, geographic) are necessary for a population to be split into two. Geographic isolation and other isolating mechanisms (see discussions elsewhere in this newsgroup) are not encompassed in the process of allele replacement, and thus a definition of evolution based solely on allele replacements would not seem to address the phenomenon of speciation, which is of paramount importance in evolution. Secondly, with regard to *molecular drive and other results of non-allelic genomic change*: I hope readers will agree that the propagation of transposable elements in genomes and the general changes in genome size, form, and chromosome number (more things could be listed here) all constitute evolutionary phenomena. Very simply put, the propagation of a transposable element (for instance) cannot be modelled as an allele replacement. Allele replacements involve a single pre-defined locus while transpositions (for instance) do not. Therefore, a definition of evolution based solely on allele replacements does not encompass a particular large (and possibly very important) class of evolutionary phenomena. I can easily address the responses of Larry Moran to these objections. 1. In response to the problem of speciation, Larry suggested that he was attempting to build a "minimal" definition of evolution, and that it did not have to encompass the entire biological universe. I agree with this sentiment. However, my response to its application here is that speciation is of sufficient importance to be addressed in any definition of evolution. Many paleontologists would suggest that most major evolutionary transformations are temporally associated with speciation, and that anagenetic changes, taking place in a stable population, play only a minor role. 2. With regard to the phenomena of non-allelic genomic change, Larry's response was that these could be considered to be the results of allele replacements. Since Larry and I seem to make contradictory statements about the same thing, I suspect that we will have to go into a few detailed examples in order to determine whether or not molecular drive (for instance) can be modelled by allelic changes. However, it seems clear that Larry's view of allele replacements is a bit too broad at present. In response to my contention that the symbiotic association of an urkaryote and a bacterial proto-mitochondrion was a significant evolutionary event but not in any rigorous sense an allele replacement, Larry again suggested that this did not "clearly fall outside of the [allele-replacements] definition." Larry and other readers interested in salvaging genetic definitions of evolution would do well to make the following corrections: First, avoid limiting the circumscribed phenomena to allele replacements. Its much better to talk about "statistical fluctuations in the genetic composition of populations" (Sewall Wright's definition), since this will include allele replacements, molecular drive, etc., which are legitimate evolutionary phenomena. Second, at least pay some lip service to the interesting discussions about speciation, incompatibility, and rearrangements going on elsewhere in this newsgroup (there's alot of fascinating observational and experimental evolutionary genetics by the Dobzhansky group on this subject) and make some mention of speciation and isolating mechanisms. Additionally, I would suggest to Larry that he mispoke in suggesting that allelic changes are "necessary and sufficient" to define evolution. N and S are the keywords used by physical scientists to wrestle with *causation*, and elsewhere you expressed a more reasonable desire to talk about definitions, rather than causal mechanisms. The statement "ABC is necessary and sufficient to define evolution" refers to *causing a definition* and is a nonsense statement. A definition of X is something that identifies X for us by listing its salient properties and distinguishing X from similar non-X things with which we might otherwise confuse it. Arlin Stoltzfus Arlin@ac.dal.ca usual disclaimer
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