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In article <1992Jul15.151734.22118@csd.brispoly.ac.uk> as_radfo@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (AS Radford) writes:
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>Frankly, I spend far too much of my time REMOVING header material.
>I wouldn't want any more.
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>A.
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>  Arthur Radford, Bristol Polytechnic    -------------------------------
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>  as_radfo@uk.ac.brispoly.csd            -------------------------------

Well, the headers may be time consuming with some 1200 or 2400bps
connection, but at least with 9600bps connection, most of my time
goes for reading the couple of first lines of each article, and deciding
whether it is interesting or not. My eyes can automatically skip the
headers, that's not the problem, unless it is page or two long.

BTW. Obviously I wasn't thinking 100% when I posted that suggestion.
Of course we don't need no any additional Original-Sender field in header,
because that information is already in From: field. The problem is that
when I reply with R command, and news software takes the mailing list
address from the Reply-To: field into To: field, I have nowhere the
original address of the sender, if he hasn't included it in his signature.
  So maybe there should be another reply command available in newsreaders,
which would always use the address found from From: field, even if there's
another one in Reply-To: field. (For replying privately to the articles
gatewayed from mailing lists to newsgroups.)

Anyway, I think it's important that when people set up the gateways, they
inform about it to newsgroup users, and make clear whether the gateway is
uni- or bidirectional.
  But as the Usenet has no memory, and those gateways can still be working
after years, when the readers of the group may have largely changed, it
would be better if this informing would be done in some permanent way.
  So I still suggest using the header for that. If we could get some
"standardized" gateway-header, the information could be contained
in one line, and the finesses of the reply and follow-up commands could
be then explained in FAQ files.
So just something like:

Gatewayed-from: foobar-l (unidirectional)

And if you really dislike additional header fields, you can always modify
your newsreader to suppress them. It's much harder for the beginners to
modify newsreaders other way.

Hmm, with newsgroups solely created for gatewaying the mailing lists to
the Usenet (like various bit.listserv.* groups) would it be good idea
to make that group "pseudo-moderated", i.e. set the moderators address
to be the same as mailing list address, so every follow-up would surely
end to list. (Which itself could be moderated or not.)
  Maybe this is already done with some gateway lists, I don't know.

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