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In article <1u3p6h$8gl@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, surendar@cs.wpi.edu (Surendar Chandra) writes:
> Hi,
>  I was proposing to start a gateway between t-assist and
>  soc.college.teaching-asst. There has been no concerns from bit.admin,
>  and soc.college.teaching-asst. However in t-assist the opinion seems
>  to be divided with 3 people suggesting they want a gateway and 7
>  suggesting they would abstain from this move. The guidelines state
>  that I should now conduct a vote similar to the creation of a new
>  newsgroup.
Which guildelines are these? You are simply proposing to add a gateway to
an existing news group on the USENET side. As far as USENET is concerned,
since you did ask and got no objection from the USENET side, it has the 
same effect as adding another site which participates in USENET. The USENET
vote is only to add a news group to USENET, adding gateways to existing
groups is outside of our guidelines. 


> 
>  Does that mean I have to go through a month of CFV's and all that?
>  Would I need 2/3 and 100 vote difference? Who can take part in this
>  vote?  Only members of t-assist? Do I have to verify if the voters are
>  t-assist'ers?


From the USENET guidelines, no. The group already exists 

> 
>  Is the normal recourse in such a situation to drop this idea??  How
>  would I go about doing that??

You only got three objections from the mailing list side?; I don't see
the need for a vote (but I don't know the protocol from your side; someone
else needs to advise you) In any case, you should not have to use the USENET
model for group creation to establish the gateway.
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Richard H. Miller (rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu) wrote:
: Which guidelines are these? You are simply proposing to add a gateway to
: an existing news group on the USENET side. As far as USENET is concerned,
: since you did ask and got no objection from the USENET side, it has the 
: same effect as adding another site which participates in USENET. The USENET
: vote is only to add a news group to USENET, adding gateways to existing
: groups is outside of our guidelines. 

I was referring to the guidelines posted in bit.admin. Specifically it
states:

> 2.  Get the approval of the Listserv list readers. This could be done
>     somewhat informally  by posting to  the list and asking  if there
>     are objections.  If the  issue was  controversial, a  formal vote
>     should be held according to the same guidelines as for creating a
>     new Usenet group. If there was no major dissenting opinion a vote
>     will not be needed.

I think I will have to let the idea of a gateway fall through as too
many people who participate in the mailing list seem to think of it as
a bad idea.

Anyway, Thanks a lot
surendar

In <1u7tlg$o8j@bigboote.WPI.EDU> surendar@cs.wpi.edu (Surendar Chandra) writes:
>I think I will have to let the idea of a gateway fall through as too
>many people who participate in the mailing list seem to think of it as
>a bad idea.

I wouldn't give up yet. The idea is that you ask to think what people
think and if, as in this case, a number of people object you ask for
a vote. Any subscriber can send you his or her vote. Wait for some time
(a week or two is probably sufficient on a mailing list) and see if
these seven people speak for the majority of the subscribers. If you
give up now you are letting these seven people decide for all 250
subscribers. Most may not care or actually be in favor of the idea.

Jim McIntosh
The American University
Washington DC USA 20016-8019