The proposition for Thrace-list is totally misguided if not curious

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2 total messages Started by Stratos P. Safioleas Mon, 14 Apr 1997 00:00

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Author: Stratos P. Safioleas
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 00:00

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Dear Friends:

I find the attempt for a bit.thrace.listserv based in Turkey, 
to be gated at least perplexing if not suspicious as of the cause 
that it serves.

There already IS a list about the region Thrace, in 
Xanthi-Thrace, Greece.  It is by far the oldest and is far more 
inclusive in the issues that it addresses.  I have been in the 
Thrace list from its inception, and have been since an active 
participant.

As you knowe there is an ongoing tension between Greece and 
Turkey, with the later trying to cause instability in the region 
by raising territorial claims.  

A list about Thrace hosted in Turkey, where freedom of speech 
does NOT exist, most definetly will be used for the benefit of 
the Turkish government propaganda, and it will further aggravate 
the already mounting problems in the region.

As a participant of the Thrace List, and someone that has lived 
in Thrace for 6 six years, with good knowledge of the issues in 
the region, I STRONGLY OBJECT to the creation of a Turkish based 
Thrace List to discuss issues of minorities in Greece.  I find 
it at least pretentious that there is NO list dealing with the 
profound disregard of human rights in Turkey, as this is well 
documented by numerous organizations which very naturally makes 
me wonder what are the motives behind the gating of a Turkish 
based Thrace list.  I protest the dark agenda that will most 
definetly emerge behind this attempt, even if this may not exist 
in the mind of the person that uwisely made the proposal.



Stratos Safioleas
Dept. of Engineering Management
The George Washington University

Democritos University of Thrace, 1989

Re: The proposition for Thrace-list is totally misguided if not curious

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Author: N. Tsolak
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 00:00

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Despite that I've changed my mind about forwarding 'thrace' list to the
usenet, I wish to reply to these recent posting in some misconceptions and
misunderstandings as far as my mailing list concerned. 

The subscription to 'thrace' is through the Listserver, meaning that they
are not controlled by myself or anyone else. This isn't the case with most
of the Greek mailing lists. I think  the 'thrace' list in Demokritos
university is maybe too inclusive where the voice of a tiny minority will
certainly be lost. 


> A list about Thrace hosted in Turkey, where freedom of speech 
> does NOT exist, most definetly will be used for the benefit of 
> the Turkish government propaganda, and it will further aggravate 
> the already mounting problems in the region.

This claim as far as my mailing list concerned is gross and totally
unjustified,
'thrace' list will be used by whom, by myself?  Since the subscriptions and
postings are not controlled in any way, by myself or anyone else, how this
could be possible? 

> 
> As a participant of the Thrace List, and someone that has lived 
> in Thrace for 6 six years, with good knowledge of the issues in 
> the region, I STRONGLY OBJECT to the creation of a Turkish based 
> Thrace List to discuss issues of minorities in Greece. 

As someone who was born in Thrace and lived there for 22 years I think I am
very well aware of the problems as far as the minority concerned. My
mailing list is not only on the problems of minority but more for the
people from the minority who can talk amongst themselves for themselves.
What is objectionable in that?   


> it at least pretentious that there is NO list dealing with the 
> profound disregard of human rights in Turkey, as this is well 
> documented by numerous organizations which very naturally makes 
> me wonder what are the motives behind the gating of a Turkish 
> based Thrace list.  I protest the dark agenda that will most 
> definetly emerge behind this attempt, even if this may not exist 
> in the mind of the person that uwisely made the proposal.

I find these speculative and unjustifiable accusations as far as my mailing
list concerned as a conspicuous attempt for censorship. 

N. Tsolak
Department of Psychology
University of Glasgow
Adam Smith Building
Glasgow
G12 8RY

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