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luistxo wrote:

>> 1. There is nothing like Basque-language cinema. Only some attempts
     from time to time. That is a fact. <<

  that fact has little to do with
  movies that reflect basque life
  o basque's whereabouts. to me,
  today's e.h is well represented
  with the movies that have been
  released recently.

>>    2. Medem, Calparsoro, Alex de la Iglesia, Imanol Uribe... These
  people make Spanish cinema. Good cinema, perhaps. <<

  spanish cinema? just because the
  languaje is castilian? i never heard
  about such school. see.. 'smoke
  signals' was directed by an native
  american, (indian). languaje was
  english, american with indian accent
  if you care. would you say that's
  an american movie, and not about
  those indians? you'd be out of your
  mind.

>>   What's the Basqueness about them? <<

  oh, nothing.. just a few details,
  characters were basques, action was
  in the basque country, and might
  be based on actual facts.

>> They were born around here. More or less as with
  the films where Alfredo Landa appears. Landa's films
  are shit and the others are good?  But that has
  nothing to do with Basqueness or not.<<

 like i said, you seem to be looking
 for something special.. like "basqueness"
 as you understand it. if the same movies
 would have been shot in euskera, would you
 say then, those are "basque movies"?
 if that's your understanding of basqueness
 think about the producers.. they
 don't want to risk money in a narrow
 market. all in all, those spanish-languaje
 movies are gonna be screened all over
 spain, and if good, collect some $.
 there may be other reasons, like the
 director's actors unability to speak
 basque, or the lack of a good script
 in basque, i.e the basque director mother
 tongue being spanish, or french for that
 matter. if basqueness means something
 different, that is not reflected on
 the last movies, please explain. second
 time i ask you. may be you come up with
 a new concept.

>>    I missed those films, obviously. Can you give me examples?<<

    i think i did. the best example
    would be `vacas'.

>>    Take Montxo Armendariz: a couple of films located in Navarre. That
  makes "Historias del Kronen" a basque film?<<

 that's the point. it's a basque film
 in the sense it's been shot by armendariz,
 but it tells a history about something else.
 or do you feel like a person born in
 donostia, whose mother tongue is basque,
 has a complete different life experience
 than a person born in donostia, whose mother
 tongue is spanish. dude, donostia is not
 that big, and as a matter of fact, almost
 everyone shares a common space, prejudices,
 religion & cultural beliefs. now, if you
 want to draw a line, go ahead. beware you
 may end up in the side of the line you
 seem to designate as "spanish". it's only
 a matter of how purist you are on the
 drawing process.

>>  Jakin ezkero, txinoz egingo banizu, susmatzen dut ez zenidakeela
ulertuko, nko. <<

 oh yes, i got many chinese colleagues, it
 wont take me that much.

>>Badirudi horrekin adierazi nahi duzula berdin dizula zer azaltzen
    dizudan, berdin dizula ulertu edo ez ulertu, nire arrazoi, argudio edo
    iritziek ez dizutela inporta... Ez nau gehiegi mintzen, baina horrela
    eztabaidatzen hasita, jai.<<

  it's your impression, but no. the
  point, was communication (or lack of
  thereof) does not depend ultimately
  on the languaje you use. a bigger
  obstacle is a barrier, a lines and
  the a priori margination based on
  the person knowledge of languajes
  or culture.

>> This finnally will lead us to the discussion
we had some months ago, about Pio Baroja being
a Basque writer or a Spanish writer.<<

   i miss that one, like i miss most
   of what is post in any usenet forum.
   let me guess, conclussion was pio
   baroja was a spanish writer, with
   all connotations that "spain", "spanish"
   have in nowadays e.h.

later,

nko