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2 total messages Started by Ian Chai Sat, 14 Sep 1996 00:00
SG, MY, SEA: No borders for ASEAN?
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Author: Ian Chai
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 00:00
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The article "SG,SEA:  NUS remains the champ of Asean debate" said:
   At the final held at Dewan Tunku Chancellor, Universiti Malaya, UP was not
   easily edged out as they proved to be feisty opponents as the proposers for
   the topic There Should Be No Borders Within Asean.

Aside from the skill of the Filipino and Singaporean debaters, what do people
think of this "no borders" idea?

I think it is a great idea, if implemented slowly enough not to cause sudden
major disruption. ASEAN could enjoy the kind of mobility that the United
States has: people from one state can easily move to another if their skills
are needed there, and everyone is better off in the long run.

For example, Malaysia is currently facing a worker shortage. But because
Indonesians and Filipinos have to go through so much hassle and ringamarole,
they can't easily fulfill our labor needs. And we have the nationalistic
thinking that "they" will benifit from "our" bounty.

If we think of ourselves as not so separate, we both end up benifitting.

The main argument I've heard for "no borders" is that it is destablizing.
"Why," the argument goes, "then all the Indonesians will move to Malaysia
and destablize everything."

That's why I said it needs to be implemented slowly. Right now the imbalance
exists that is artificially held by immigration control. In a stable state
open border situation, the natural balance due to the available resources
and people will, like the states in the United States, assert itself and
you have slow gradual migrations rather than sudden shocks to the system.
Re: SG, MY, SEA: No borders for ASEAN?
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Author: Faruq abd ul-Rafi
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 00:00
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In <199609150302.AA16246@chip.cs.uiuc.edu> Ian Chai <chai@UIUC.EDU> writes:

>What do people
>think of this "no borders" idea?

>I think it is a great idea, if implemented slowly enough not to cause sudden
>major disruption. ASEAN could enjoy the kind of mobility that the United
>States has: people from one state can easily move to another if their skills
>are needed there, and everyone is better off in the long run.

Perhaps it could start with open borders between Malaysia and Singapore and
expand from there. This seems easiest to implement and least likely to
create major disruptions. But before you can get to a situation in which
people can travel from one end of ASEAN to the other the way they can
travel from one end of the US or the European Union to the other, I think
the various ASEAN governments need to become much more like one another.
You can't have a relatively democratic Philippines and a Burmese dictatorship
sharing open borders. (BTW, I know that Burma is not yet part of ASEAN, but
it will be long before ASEAN gets open borders.)

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Faruq abd ul-Rafi (R. A. Nelson)
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Department of Philosophy
e-mail: faruq@uiuc.edu
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