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                            THE BLIND NEWS DIGEST

                                 Issue # 961

                            Monday, June 28, 1993

Today's Topics:


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                                hello and dv
                                 Re: flipper
                            Re: buffalo free-net
                            Re: buffalo free-net
                            Re: Does Anyone Have
                                  Tiny Talk
                        Microsoft and screen readers
                                Hello and dv
                            Portable synthesizers
                            New from arkenstone!
                        OpenBook, Window Bridge etc.


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Subject: hello and dv
From: Rick.Alfaro@f8.n369.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Alfaro)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:369/8 - The Catwalk BBS, Davie FL


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hello Kenny!

Friday May 28 1993 08:20, Kenny Hitt wrote to All:

 KH> I'm running Desqview 2.42 with asap for my speech program.  I'm interested
 KH> in hearing from other speech users of Desqview.

 KH> I started out loading asap before desqview, but I kept having strange vido
 KH> problems.  All my problems disappearded after I started loading speech in
 KH> each window.  I've used two free ware probrams (dvpedit and dvload) to make
 KH> the system almost as speech friendly as it was when I loaded asap before
 KH> desqview.

Yes, that is the the best way to get good results with DV, by
loading the speech drivers outsied of dv, and the screen reader in
each window. I also use dvpedit which I think is great.  I have
dvload here, but haven't had much occasion to use it, and was
curious to find out what drivers you are loading with it.  Are you
using it to load ansi.sys in each window perhaps?

Regards,
Rick

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Subject: Re: flipper
From: Tandy.Way@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org (Tandy Way)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:377/6 - T.A.B.B., Tampa Fl


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

flipper upgrades are not free. at least not from where you are 3.3
the current is 4.0 will cost you around $88 you must call them and
send the money.

=== Via Silver Xpress V3.01

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Subject: Re: buffalo free-net
From: Michael.Malver@f1007.n282.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Malver)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:282/1007 - DRAGnet, Andover MN


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

  To my knowledge, doing what you want is impossible.  I am not on the
freenet, but I have used several unix newsreaders.  There is a program
which supposedly will make qwk packets out of netnews, but I don't
know the name of the program offhand.  Perhaps you could write to the
system administrator, and mention to him that you would like qwk
ability.  Maybe he could do something.  If I find it, I will pass
along th name of the program to you.

Michael

... my god!another tag line mentioning blue wave
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

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Subject: Re: buffalo free-net
From: Paul.Nobrega@p0.f266.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Nobrega)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:163/266.0 - Vision Information , Ottawa ON


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

good question tandy as to how to read the messages non stop on the
freenets. i think a while back someone asked the question on one of the
freenets, and was told it was not possible.  it is that one must hit the
return key in order to close the message that was just read. however,
once you have gone through the messages, all you have to do is hit the
>n< for next message and it will only read you those you have not read.
there is a question and answer in the administration section where one
can ask questions and this would be a good one. by the way, i can get
your access code, not your password, from the buffalo freenet next time
i log on. you can also get mine and leave a message. just >go directory<
and this will bring you to the databases where you can ask. search by
full name and it will give you de i.d. code to leave messages. i think
you can also >go disablility< and it will open doors like magic for you.
see you  in buffalo tandy. regards,
paul

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Subject: Re: Does Anyone Have
From: Richard.Webb@f8.n290.z1.fidonet.org (Richard Webb)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:290/8 - Iowa MIDI BBS, Des Moines IA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

HI David,

I'm using asap with silver xpress v 3.02.  The set files are for an
older version, and some of us are playing with updating for the
newversion.  If you  use the sfi switch when starting silver xpress, the
set files will give you enough information to deal with mail packetrs.
A couple of suggestions that will help you out if trying to use Silver
with asap follow:

1.  When changing to a message index or conference list, shut the speech
up and usethe read current line key to get the information about where
you are.  When you choose to reada message, pull it up and use the
continuous read mode to read the messwage without having to hit enter to
get the rest of it, as you would normally.

Without the SFI switch enabled when starting silver, you'll find a clock
in the righrt hand lower corner of the screen that will jam you up a
bit.  Hope this hleps you out.

See yuh.

RICHARD WEBB

... Don't Shoot! I'm only the piano player!
___ Via Silver Xpress V3.02

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Subject: Tiny Talk
From: Don.Shepherd@f8.n290.z1.fidonet.org (Don Shepherd)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:290/8 - Iowa MIDI BBS, Des Moines IA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

   I have installed an unregistered copy of Tiny Talk for use with
Speech Thing.  I am not totally happy with it, but it is probably as
good as I can do with Speech Thing and the limited amount of memory I am
operating with.  One thing that makes me very unhappy is that my system
tends to lock up after about five minutes of use.  I was wondering if
this was something wrong in my setup or a feature that is due to some
disabling of an unregistered version.  I do not intend to register it
unless I am assured this problem would be solved.

DON SHEPHERD

___ via Silver Xpress V3.02

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Subject: Microsoft and screen readers
From: David.Tanner@f234.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Tanner)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/234 - Braille Bank BBS, Oakton Va


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

In a msg on <May 28 06:43>, jeff bishop of 1:300/205 writes:

 jb> It is time to play against you.  Why should Microsoft put the
 jb> manual on diskette in the box.  do you realize the pirate aspect
 jb> of this.  the main reason people buy dos is for the manual.

Let us not kid ourselves there are a plenty of sighted folks out
there copying the print DOS manual on their Xerox machines. That is
just the kind of poor excuse that MiscroSoft and the rest want to
keep from providing what we need at time of purchase.  The fact is
that there are a lot of companies who do include a copy of their
manual on disk that are not access technology products.  I am sure
that if they were that worried about copies being made that the DOS
diskettes would be copy protected. I am sure they realize that
there are probably tens of thousands of illegal copies of their
operating system disks floating around out there, and information
on the use of MS DOS is certainly a lot easier to obtain than just
getting it from the DOS manual. But illegal copies of the DOS disks
had to come from an original somehwere.

Truthfully, most people seem to act as though they think MS DOS is
public domain and will give a copy to someone a long time before
they would even consider copying a software such as Word Perfect
etc.  I'm not saying it is right, but far better MicroSoft provide
accessable documentation to those who purchase the MS DOS product
than try to use an excuse that someone might copy the files to keep
from providing it at time of purchase.

I get a little tired of being told I have to jump extra hoops, pay
extra costs, or endure extra inconvenience just because I happen to
be blind. That is a cop out that blind folk have got to start
demanding must stop happening.

How about let's turn things around and insist that software
producers sell their software with disk based manuals that can
optionally be unpacked either to a ASCII file or printed to the
user's printer. This way the software producer saves the cost of
production of the print manual and simply provides the manual on
disk preformatted so it could be copied to a printer or read with a
text file reader software. The disk will cost the producer much
less to produce than the print manual, and since the disk will be
much smaller it will also cost less for the packaging to package
the product. With that solution everyone would stand on even
ground. The print reader simply reads the file with his text reader
or prints out the manual if he wants a print copy, and the blind
user reads the file with his text reader or translates the file to
bBraille and prints a copy in Braille, if he wants a Braille copy.
And, think of all the shelf space that we save not keeping around
all those useless print manuals.  D. T.

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Subject: Hello and dv
From: Peter.Scialli@f432.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Peter Scialli)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/432 - The Idea Link, Wheaton MD


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Kenny,
  You found the secret!  I only use DV some of the time, but the way to
  do it with ASAP is to run speech separately in each window.  Larry
  Skutchan of Microtalk, in fact, has a different approach to the
  problem that works for him.  I think he runs speech only once then
  uses alt-Z to Zoom in on a particular window.  You might drop him an
  inquiry about it on the Microtalk BBS, I suspect his method uses less
  memory than running multiple copies of ASAP.
      Peter

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Subject: Portable synthesizers
From: Peter.Scialli@f432.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Peter Scialli)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/432 - The Idea Link, Wheaton MD


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Eric,

re. portable synthesizers:  You might consider the LiteTalk
synthesizer.  It is quite small, runs a long time on a charge and
will go into either a serial or parallel port.  I don't know if
JAWS will support it though. It has the DoubleTalk speech and is
quite responsive, like the Doubletalk itself.  Good Luck.

     Peter

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Subject: New from arkenstone!
From: Peter.Scialli@f432.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Peter Scialli)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/432 - The Idea Link, Wheaton MD


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi All,
  I got a fax from Arkenstone along with a followup phone call at the
  end of this past week.  They have just announced the Open Book Special
  Edition.  This is  a limited edition of the stand-alone reading
  machine.  It has a 486/66 MHz. Processor and enough on-board storage
  for about 18000 pages of text.  The really interesting part is the
  price, it retails for $5395 which is considerably less than the slower
  Deluxe edition.  I will be carrying the new machine for $5195.  I
  assume they will be shipping with the new version of the software, but
  I will have to check to be sure!.

     Peter

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Subject: OpenBook, Window Bridge etc.
From: Jeff.Belina@f5297.n3603.z1.fidonet.org (Jeff Belina)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/5297 - Henter-Joyce Techni, St Petersburg FL


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

David Tanner wrote in a message to Peter Scialli:

DT>     Your comments about what you expect would happen with
DT> Window Bridge running at the same time as speech from a
DT> OpenBook driver were pretty close to correct. Actually the
DT> way I get around that is when I go into Openbook from the
DT> Windows task list or from the Windows menus the first thing

David, the OPENBOOK.INI is a text file the open book uses to get
it's configurations, if you want to try using your Windows screen
reader instead of the Open Book speech driver, just change the line
from DRIVER=DECTALK to DRIVER=NONE, or something like that, then if
you decide you like the old way better, just change it back.

Bfn,
Jeff Belina
Technical Support
Henter-Joyce, Inc.

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