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                            THE BLIND NEWS DIGEST

                                 Issue # 906

                           Monday, April 26, 1993

Today's Topics:


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                                    sleep
                                Re: jaws 2.3
                               Type and speak
                                Re: bns macro
                                Re: jaws 2.3
                                Window Setup
                   Re: Visual Impairment in United Kingdom
                                 Re: Wp 5.2
                   Re: Visual Impairment in United Kingdom
                                Re: jaws 2.3
                              Braille question
                            Brail from computer??
                            Why i won't use jaws
                               Re: artic 3.04
                                  Re: ECHO?
                          Re: two blink talk echoes
                       questions on IBM Screen Reader
                               "Helpful TABs"
                        Re: braille labels for disks
                                    Bible


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Subject: sleep
From: Sam.Troia@p4.f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Sam Troia)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/203.4 - The BATcave Mail On, Flushing NY


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi, Ron,

I'm another of those Perkins people some of whom have already
responded to you regarding sleep patterns and so on. I would have
graduated in '68 with Brian Margie and the rest of that class but I
went to public high school starting in September of '65.

Anyhow, I realize that most people have already responded to your
inquiry about sleep patterns and I'm a bit late--hope you don't
mind--but it's not exactly sleep patterns that I want to relate to
you, although it definitely concerns sleep.  Frankly, I've never
paid close attention to my sleep patterns except to note that I
generally have periods of proper nocturnal sleep and then there are
periods of insomnia.  It seems though that since I don't have a
regular schedule to adhere to I don't have nearly as much of a
problem with nocturnal sleep as I would have were I to be under the
stress of the work-a-day life.

Well, having said all that, here's the thing that I really wanted
to bring to your attention.  Ever since I was very little (and
continuing to this day) I have a much more disturbing problem.
That is that I mostly have to avoid sleeping on my back.  The
reason is that doing so makes me extremely vulnerable to the
worst--and I do mean the worst--nightmares you could imagine.  In
fact they're not within the scope of man's imagining because they
come from... well ... let's just say elsewhere.  And that elsewhere
ain't nice!  These do occur while I'm in other positions but when
they do I somehow have better control over them and I don't venture
so deeply into the states that these things produce.

I can only offer you a glimpse of the reason for this as I have
only just begun to investigate this phenomenon to try to understand
it.  What I was told by spiritual teachers higher than us was that
this has something to do with the positioning of one's chakras
during sleep.  More than this I don't yet know, but I'm working on
it.  I was also told that this is not unique to me but is a problem
in general.

Pretty weird, Huh?  Well, let me know what you think and, while I'm
at it, anyone else experience this?

Good talking to you, Ron, and hope to hear from you soon.

Sam

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Subject: Re: jaws 2.3
From: Lois.Briggs@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Lois Briggs)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 MG>> When I go from one program to another I have to go into jaws menu
 MG>> and call up the configs for that program.  I was hoping there would
 MG>> be a way to have the configurations change as I move from program
 MG>> to program.

I was considering JAWS myself but since I presently have the good old
locked Artic, the only opportunity I had to try JAWS was while at an
Access Technology Center here in Pittsburgh.  While JAWS sounds
complicated and probably wouldn't be great for a beginner user of
adaptive equipment, I thought it had possibilities for a mid-level user
such as myself.  I've been reading ALL messages here about JAWS for two
months now and am curious about this message.  Are you saying one could
not write a batch file using, for instance one key to run a program
configuration then be able to exit that program back to one's own
personal, shall we call it, default setting?  For me personally, the
fastest way is the most comfortable way so perhaps I wouldn't like JAWS
after all.

LOis Briggs

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Subject: Type and speak
From: Donald.Roberts@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org (Donald Roberts)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:377/6 - T.A.B.B., Tampa Fl


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I would appreciate comments from anyone who either owns or has
extensively used the Type and Speak.  I am thinking about buying
either a lap top or a notebook, probably second hand, and am
sorting out in my mind the pros and cons of the laptop versus the
Type and Speak.

I recall the spirited discussion about two months ago on this
subject.  Unfortunately, none of the participants in that
discussion owned the Type and Speak.  So I would really like to
hear from an actual owner or one who has used it enough to really
have experienced its limitations rather than having experienced
those limitations in theory only.

Don Roberts

... Catch the Blue Wave!
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Subject: Re: bns macro
From: Bob.Humbert@p1.f99.n215.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Humbert)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:215/99.1 - Blink Connection, San Leandro CA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 -=> Quoting Mitch Galloway to Tim Cumings <=-

MG> Speak. To make a long story short, I had a glass of water spilled on
 MG> top of it.  It was an accident by one of the children at my church.
 MG> For two days all I got from the unit was a strange buzzing.  I thought
 MG> I drowned  it for sure..
 MG> My 90 day warantee ended on the day of the accident.  I called
 MG> Blazie and they told me it would take a new board.

Now how did they know that?  I don't know what you told them, but I can't
imagine how they could come to that conclusion without seeing the unit.
Service??

 MG> After two days a friend came and helped me to open the unit.  When
 MG> we did we found that the water had matted some dirt on the speaker.
 MG> We removed the dirt, hit the switch and heard, "Braille N Speak

Our BNS units are far more vulnerable to that kind of accident than most
electronic devices.  There are inexpensive portable radios that can be
floated in a swimming pool and have no damage to them from water.  A simple
membrane covering openings would do the trick.  Why can the BNS have that
feature? The only thing that needs to be un protected from water in order to
use it properly is the port.  It would not cost that much to include a water
resistant cover for them.  To illustrate my point, place your BNS in a zip
lock bag or plastic bag of any kind.  You will find that you can hear and
operate it just fine that way.

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Subject: Re: jaws 2.3
From: Eric.Bohlman@p3.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Bohlman)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.3 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 LB> months now and am curious about this message.  Are you saying one could
 LB> not write a batch file using, for instance one key to run a program
 LB> configuration then be able to exit that program back to one's own
 LB> personal, shall we call it, default setting?  For me personally, the
 LB> fastest way is the most comfortable way so perhaps I wouldn't like JAWS
 LB> after all.

Tinytalk will let you do that, without even having to write batch files.

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Subject: Window Setup
From: Eric.Bohlman@p3.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Bohlman)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.3 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 NR>  Because Jaws 2.3 is so complicated for a beginner I have decided to
 NR> give
 NR>  Tinytalk a try.  However, I don't know the right windows to setup.  I
 NR>  have tlx315 and If someone can help me make the right configuration I

For telix, you basically have to do two things:

1) Turn Tinytalk's auto-popup detection on (option 4 on Tinytalk's menu).
"No repeat" or "Beep on repeat" are the best choices.  This will let you pick
up most of the dialing directory and the menus.

2) Set Telix's screen write mode to "direct writes with port checks."  This
will force BIOS output for data coming in from the modem, and direct writes
for everything else (the menus would be way too noisy if you used BIOS output
for them).

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Subject: Re: Visual Impairment in United Kingdom
From: Tim.Cumings@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Tim Cumings)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:101/460.0 - VI/BUG, Holbrook MA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi, Jason.

Could you tell me about the Jotta. How much does it cost? Dos it have a
Braille display like the versa-braille or is it more like the Braille n
Speak? How much memory does it have?

Another question for you or anyone else. I heard that Eureka is coming
out with a new dos-based machine. Has anyone heard any information about
this?

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Subject: Re: Wp 5.2
From: Ted.Filteau@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Ted Filteau)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:101/460.0 - VI/BUG, Holbrook MA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 TW> does anyone know what features are in word perfect 5.2 and for
 TW> a blind person is it worth upgrading from 5.1?

Hi Tandy,
If I'm not mistaken, the wp 5.2 is the new windows version, so it
wouldn't be usable without a program such as window bridge.

Ted

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Subject: Re: Visual Impairment in United Kingdom
From: Al.Gayzagian@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Al Gayzagian)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:101/460.0 - VI/BUG, Holbrook MA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I have a friend using Hal with the Apollo, and he is quite unhappy with
the system.  As for the Mountbatten, I have written a review of it and
have found it to have some useful features but some problems as well.
I know nothing about most of the other pieces of equipment you mention.

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Subject: Re: jaws 2.3
From: Walter.Siren@p42.f17.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Walter Siren)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/17.42 - N. O. P. C. Club, New Orleans LA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

On Aprm 01m, Bill Koppelmann <1:104/725> corresponding with Mitch Galloway typed
:
 BK> Ok, excuse my ignorance, but while I know what the insert s is, what
 BK> in blazes is the insert r for.

Bill, the insert-r is to reread the material that the smart screen
reads to you.  The smart screen when monitoring a frame to know
when to read to you, activates the insert-r macro to read the
screen the first time, and if you want to hear it again, you can do
it manually with the insert-r.

That is in the newfeats.doc for jaws 2.2.  I think that that doc
takes several readings to digest the information, and I still got
indigestion, and did not digest it all.

Walter

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Subject: Braille question
From: Keith.Wessel@f8.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Keith Wessel)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:233/8 - After School, Urbana IL


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I was discussing the legality of using the st sign in mistake
(break of sylables, can't be used... right?) with my resource
teacher.  The following question came up, though?  Who defines the
rules for braille?  Is there some comittee?  Where are they
located?  And, how many of them are not braille readers??? <GRIN>

Keith

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Subject: Brail from computer??
From: Larry.Thacker@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org (Larry Thacker)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3602/24 - ADAnet One (tm) Net, Pinson AL


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 EK> Does anyone know if there is a computer program that types out braille
 EK> dots, is, a translator?  Yes, I plan to poke a pin through the dots so
 EK> I can communicate.
 EK> Is there a better way without buying a brailler?

Yes, you can translate text to braille with a computer, but to
produce the braille, you'll need a braille embosser, something at
least 5 times the cost of a manual brailler.  The embosser works
like your printer, only it produces braille.

... Pro is to con as progress is to Congress.
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Subject: Why i won't use jaws
From: Larry.Thacker@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org (Larry Thacker)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3602/24 - ADAnet One (tm) Net, Pinson AL


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 CO> Thanks for the nice comments Shabu!  We try very hard here and so do
 CO> most of the other companies.

I called for a demo of Jaws in July of last year.  I asked the
unimpressive voice on the other end of the line a few questions
about compatibility with my voice synthesizer.  She took quite a
while to find someone who was supposed to know, but didn't.  She
asked someone else, and they gave the wrong answer.

I have the Personnal Vert system from TSI.  I asked if jaws would
support my synthesizer card.  When the answer finally came, it was
yes, because that system uses the Prose board.  I didn't think that
Personnal Vert used a Prose board, but I believed her and asked for
a copy.  When I couldn't make the thing work, I double checked my
suspision.  I should have known better.  I used to work for TSI.
The Prose is the board for the Vert Plus.  On learning this, I
called again to ask if they were sure that Personnal Vert could be
used with Jaws software.  Once again, they were sure.

This scared me away from ever using Jaws.  What if I encountered a
real technical problem and needed help in a hurry?  I might be
stuck with bogus information and be unable to do my job.

I'm still using the demo disks.  Thanks for the extra floppies.

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Subject: Re: artic 3.04
From: Samuel.Bushman@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Samuel Bushman)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 JD> From: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)

I have some answers for you.
Return the software and exchange it for artic v 2.10 or
get your money back.
I had been running artic v 3.04 on a machine at work and reverted back
to 2.10 because of a problem it has with smart screens and because of a
problem it has running kermit.
Return the artic card too it's taking up one too many slots in your
machine. Now to get your computer to talk download and register
tinytalk version 1.45 and use that with soundblaster.
It does all that artic claims to do at a far more reasonable price.

Please take a good look at "asap".
I have used all the other programs and had trouble making my
computer talk well.
Now that I use "asap" the problems are gone.
A good investment.
Sam

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Subject: Re: ECHO?
From: George.Mccoy@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (George Mccoy)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hello, Kathleen!

I saw your earlier message about getting involved with assistance dogs.
It is a laudible ambition and I wish you well.  In the case of dog
guides, it will take about 5 months to train a string of dogs.  A string
is necessary because the dog and the user must be matched with great
care.  Factors include: user's walking speed, daily travel needs
experience level and travel skills.  You must, therefore, have a pool of
dogs from which to select.  You must train the first time user and dog
team for an additional month in as wide a variety of situations as
posible.  If you are located near an established assistance dog training
center, you might want to try to get involved with it rather than
attempting the whole thing on your own.  I don't know what the market
for privately trained dog guides is.  I am also unclear how much legal
protection the privately trained user/dog team is afforded in terms of
access to public facilities.  Protection given other forms of assistance
dogs seems to vary from state to state.
Keep me posted as to your progress and thoughts.
Hope this helps.

Regards,
George

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Subject: Re: two blink talk echoes
From: janina@netcom.com (Janina Sajka)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <28786@handicap.news> mikef@pacifier.rain.com (Mike Freeman) writes:
>Index Number: 28786
>
>In article <28779@handicap.news> janina@netcom.com (Janina Sajka) writes:
>>
>>Still and all, why such a similar name?  Huh, NFB?
>>
>What would you call it?
>
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Oh, I don't know ... let's see ... I KNOW !!  How about

                        nfb talk

Now, that would be truth in advertising.

                                Janina Sajka
                                World Institute on Disability





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Subject: questions on IBM Screen Reader
From: MORLOCK@VM1.NoDak.EDU (Elmer Morlock)
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

These questions pertain to IBM Screen Reader
I am having problems with the dosedit profile.  The up and down
arrows do not talk when you have 'DD' pressed on the Screen Reader
key pad.  If you use the right and left arrows they seem to speak.
Anyone know how to get up/down arrow to speak.

I have just started working with Dbase Iv I have the 'column
heading' on, but never hear the headings.  I need to go up to the
heading line in pointer mode and read them.  Anyone know how to get
the column heading spoken.

As long as i am asking questions,  On campus we use Kermit software
from Columbia University.  When I use it with Screen Reader, in the
'dosecho' mode, it just spells everything out.  I need to go in to
pointer mode and review the screen.  On one of the handicap nets
some one said the were using Kermit with Screen Reader.  I ask how
the stopped the spelling out and they didn't seem to have this
problem.  Anyone know what i am doing wrong.

Thanks





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Subject: "Helpful TABs"
From: jhusvar@mcs.kent.edu (John Husvar)

WRT: Folks "automatically" jumping in and trying to "help the poor,
disabled person:"
This is in reply to an article regarding Folks taking hold of blinks
and "helping out."

(chuckle)
You aren't the only ones. We gimps get that stuff all the time, too.
At my Father-in-law's funeral 2 days ago, the funeral home staff
(like too many other "helpful" folks) grabbed my wheelchair handles
and started pushing me into the building. I'm afraid I was less than polite.

Usually, I simply tell them "that isn't necessary, thank you," but this
time I startled even myself by snapping "Don't push !" Poor fellow was
a bit shocked. I think it is impolite to ever dis-reward helpful impulses
but it would be nice if people would learn to *ask* first !

Another "pet Peeve" is people talking over one to a companion. The first
time a waiter, cashier, etc. does it I usually just answer them in a
slightly louder tone than normal conversation would indicate.
The *second* time (for the same person) I tend to get a bit abrasive.

I can understand how you feel quite well. In the "for what it's worth dept."
all of us would be well to encourage *both* others' helpfulness *and*
make the effort to educate them to our quite adequate abilities to fend
for ourselves for the most part. I think the key here is balance.

Overpriced at $.02
John





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Subject: Re: braille labels for disks
From: martin@datacomm.ucc.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick)
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater, OK


I have been using the Dymo-style labels with the Braille version of
the labeling gun on both 5.25 and 3.5-Inch diskettes for several
years without ill effects.  Just be sure that the label is applied
neatly and the surface under  it is clean just like any other
surface to be labeled.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ   Stillwater, OK
O.S.U. Computer Center Data Communications Group




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Subject: Bible
From: EHERSH@MU2.MILLERSV.EDU (Ed Hersh)

>
> Do you know if the New International Version of the Bible is
> available on disk?  Is there a NIV version of the Bible On Line?
>
> D. T.


I use the QuickVerse NIV Bible from Parsons Technology.
It's a commercial program, fast, easy to use for about $40 or so.
If anyone would like more info, please contact me email.


Ed Hersh, Millersville Univ. of PA
Internet email:  EHersh@MU2.Millersv.Edu






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