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                            THE BLIND NEWS DIGEST

                                 Issue # 929

                           Tuesday, June 08, 1993

Today's Topics:


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                            Job interview -help!
                   Re: Working Dog Guides in Parking Lots
                          Re: Job interview -help!
                          Arkenstone readeror sale!
                           Re: Arkenstone Question
                          Re: job interview -help!
                            ferguson enterprises
                            braille code changes.
                            braille code changes.
                          Re: job interview -help!


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Subject: Job interview -help!
From: Les.Kriegler@p0.f207.n2613.z1.fidonet.org (Les Kriegler)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2613/207.0 - The Recovery Room, Rochester NY


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 PS> Now,  Here is my question:  When I go to this interview, how have
 PS> others found is the best way to handle the issue of blindness?  It
 PS> is likely that no one at the interview will explicitly bring up
 PS> the subject, but they will likely be thinking about it.  I want to
 PS> be able to bring it up without being militant or lecturing to them.

Peter, bring a piece of adaptive equipment with you, like a
laptop.  I will bet that you will not have to bring it up.  It
is liekly that questions will arise as to how you are able to
use equipment.  I have found that to be a great ice breaker,
because one has a chance to show what they can do, despite
one's blindness.  Good luck with the interview!  Les

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Subject: Re: Working Dog Guides in Parking Lots
From: Samuel.Bushman@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Samuel Bushman)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Guide dogs and parking lots.
Hay thats excellent I am sure you've got it.  That is right I
hate big open spaces with nothing to help me.  But I think you're
on the right track.  He will learn to generalize and make use of
the practice.  Also I think the biggest thing is not to get
frustrated you're dog will feel it then the learning is over
until you get feeling good again.  If you're happy and positive
you're dog will be also if you're not neither will the dog.
Good luck keep in touch
sam

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Subject: Re: Job interview -help!
From: Bob.Humbert@p0.f99.n215.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Humbert)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:215/99.0 - Blink Connection, San Leandro CA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 -=> Quoting Peter Scialli to All <=-

 PS> Now,  Here is my question:  When I go to this interview, how have
 PS> others found is the best way to handle the issue of blindness?  It
 PS> is likely that no one at the interview will explicitly bring up
 PS> the subject, but they will likely be thinking about it.  I want to
 PS> be able to bring it up without being militant or lecturing to them.

Best of luck to you in your job search.  Remember, there is just one question
that you cannot answer.  That question is the one that they do not ask.  In
other words, until they feel as if they can ask you anything, they will not
ask you that one big one that they have.  Remember the old 4 point process to
answer any question used by good sales people.  I guarantee that it works if
you use it exactly as it is planned.  The 4 points are:

1.   Agree with what ever they say.  "Blind people can't walk to the bathroom
alone."
     your answer. "yes, that is correct."

2.   Repeat the question so that the interviewer knows that you heard what
he-she said.  "Blind people can not go to the bathroom alone."

3.   Flatter the person.  "You are very observant and have been giving this
problem a great deal of thought."

4.   The least important part is the last one, and that is to answer the
question.
"that is why I have had very good and thoro mobility training so that I can
do this and all other things that sighted people do with out assistance."

It's very tempting to forget the first three points, but if you stick to it,
eventually, you will get the person to ask that one big question.  My example
is exaggerated a little, but not as much as you might at first think.

Agreeing lowers defenses.  repeating the question raises confidence in their
ability to ask questions correctly.  Flattery will get you anything even
though everyone denies it.  The question usually isn't very important at all
and can be very easily answered if you can just get the person relaxed and
confident enough to ask it.

Finally, if the subject never comes up, try saying something like, "I wonder
if you would mind doing me a favor?  I know that you have not had many
applicants who are blind, and you are probably wondering how I will perform
some of the tasks of the job.  If you would be so kind as to let me know what
these concerns are, I would be glad to explain how others have handled these
situations and how I plan to deal with them."  You know that they have
questions.  If they do not ask them, you are dead.  Why not just convince
them that they are doing you a favor by asking them.

Please let all of us know how it goes.

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Subject: Arkenstone readeror sale!
From: Peter.Scialli@f432.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Peter Scialli)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/432 - The Idea Link, Wheaton MD


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Isaac,
  When selling your old reading system, You might want to keep in mind
  that if you buy Open Book, you will get a 10% discount for having been
  a previous owner.  In addition, you can get $500 refund on your
  TrueScan card and a $150 return on your ScanJet.  That is not a lot
  for the ScanJet Plus, but keep in mind that J&R Music World is
  reportedly selling them new for $399 with a document feeder.
       Peter

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Subject: Re: Arkenstone Question
From: Walter.Siren@p42.f17.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Walter Siren)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/17.42 - N. O. P. C. Club, New Orleans LA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 WS> Hi Don.  There is another command from easy scan, that Mickey gave me
 WS> that would allow you to batch file scan, and quit afterwards, and come
 WS> back later and convert it.  I had it down on my tape recorder, but
 WS> don't know what I did with it.  I guess I will have to call Mickey, and
 WS> find out what it was again, or catch him at the convention this summer
 WS> if he is there.  I got lost following the way you do it.  I save the
 WS> message, and will look at it again when I am not reading my mail.

 DB> You can do batch scanning from easy if you scan the pages in as images
 DB> only.
 DB> When you get in to the prompt where it tells you to press space to scan
 DB> type TI It will say that is is only scanning the image.  After it is done
 DB> you can convert the image files whenever you want.

Well, I found what he gave, and it is a little more than that.  It
goes like this.

When it says press space to scan, type gipda <cr> fo <cr> ti <cr>
then after you finish, and you want to convert, bring up easy scan
again, and when it says press space to scan, type tf <cr> <space>
then when it asks for file name, type last*.pda <cr> <cr>

I don't know what all of this means, but it works.

Walter

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Subject: Re: job interview -help!
From: Peter.Scialli@f432.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Peter Scialli)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/432 - The Idea Link, Wheaton MD


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi Al,
  Thanks for your comments.  I guess my main dilemma is how to bring up
  the subject without hitting them over the head with it.  Many
  interviewers do not, in fact, ask and do seem relieved when I bring it
  up.  However, I don't myself want to seem wrapped up in the issue of
  blindness.  In fact, the job I am going for is primarily a clinical
  psychology position with some faculty responsibilities.  I have not
  even a shred of doubt about being able to handle the job; I just hope
  I can convey that sense of ease to them.  Thanks again,
         Peter

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Subject: ferguson enterprises
From: David.Tanner@f234.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Tanner)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/234 - Braille Bank BBS, Oakton Va


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

In a msg on <May 02 22:44>, Ray Rokita of 1:159/950 writes:

 RR> as administrator of associated services do you offer loan
 RR> programs for the blind in purchasing equipment? if not, can
 RR> you recommend someone who does? thanks for your help.

I should explain that I am not at Associated Service now, but was
in 1990-1991.  The grant program at ASB is no longer in existance
and neither is their computer training program.  Probably your best
bet would be to check with the National Federation of the Blind
about their loans through the Blind in Computer Science group.
Curtis Chung, who often reads this echo, is or at last I knew, was
chairman of the committee that reviews those loan requests. I am
sure he could supplyyou with whatever information you might need.
There are other small loan and grant programs in various parts of
the country, but they are generally limited to a particular
geographical area or to members of some particular blind
organization, etc.  I believe that the NFB program does not require
membership in NFB, although it probably would be a plus in your
favor if funds wer tight.  But, considering they are the ones
paying  for it that only seems fair that their members should get
preferencial treatment in awarding of loans.

    D. T.

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Subject: braille code changes.
From: Walter.Siren@p42.f17.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Walter Siren)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/17.42 - N. O. P. C. Club, New Orleans LA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

In a message Ray Rokita typed to Everyone

 RR> i would like to hear from anyone who has comments on the proposed braille
 RR> code system changes.
 RR> i read an article about this in the may newsreel.
 RR> from what i know about these changes, it doesn't sound too good.

Ray, there was also an article in the braille forum about this
subject also.  Frankly, I have to aggree from what I saw about it,
I believe it will have a lot of opposition.  While it would make
the regular braille more compatible with computer braille, not
everyone has to learn the computer braille.  I understand some of
the things they want to do, but it will be very confusing for too
many people.  Most of the older addults would have a lot of
problems with learning it all over again, and the children learning
braille would have to learn both the now code, and the new code,
because it would take time before all of the books on the shelf
would be reprinted.

Walter

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Subject: braille code changes.
From: Walter.Siren@p42.f17.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Walter Siren)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/17.42 - N. O. P. C. Club, New Orleans LA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

In a message Ray Rokita typed to Everyone

 RR> i would like to hear from anyone who has comments on the proposed braille
 RR> code system changes.
 RR> i read an article about this in the may newsreel.
 RR> from what i know about these changes, it doesn't sound too good.

Ray, there was also an article in the braille forum about this
subject also.  Frankly, I have to aggree from what I saw about it,
I believe it will have a lot of opposition.  While it would make
the regular braille more compatible with computer braille, not
everyone has to learn the computer braille.  I understand some of
the things they want to do, but it will be very confusing for too
many people.  Most of the older addults would have a lot of
problems with learning it all over again, and the children learning
braille would have to learn both the now code, and the new code,
because it would take time before all of the books on the shelf
would be reprinted.

Walter

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Subject: Re: job interview -help!
From: Peter.Scialli@f432.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Peter Scialli)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/432 - The Idea Link, Wheaton MD


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Bob,
  Thanks for that advice about the interview.  One possible fly in the
  ointment is that I am a clinical psychologist, being interviewed by
  other clinical psychologists.  All of us are used to reading things
  into the questions and answers of others.  Hopefully I can keep my
  nervousness in check to approach the interview in a plausible way.  I
  fully agree though about getting them to ask the question.  My most
  recent successful job interview, about 3 years ago, was from a woman
  who did not mention blindness at all.  At the end of the interview, I
  asked her what concerns she had about my blindness and her response
  was that her grandfather was blind and that "he can do anything he
  wants to". That was a wonderful surprise!  I got that job, by the way.
      Peter

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