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Randy McLaughlin wrote:
>  
> Actually everyone knew why he decided to try and screw up this group.  He 
> said it multiple times.  He wanted everyone to go to Dennis's group, he even 
> refered to it as his group.

It is obvious that you have not paid any attention to Dennis's posts on 
spam filtering or on the new list.

Dennis only started the new mailing list when it became clear that the 
people were abandoning the princeton list and this newsgroup mirror of 
it because of the spam.

Prior postings by Dennis indicate that he is very much against the use 
of filtering my mail servers.  And you will note that my postings on the 
matter are that mail servers should not accept e-mail from known spam 
sources.

His new list does not allow any anonymous signups.  We have no idea if 
the person who claimed to be signing up the mailing list to opt-out 
spammers is on the new mailing list or not.

The gmane news server access addition to that list was made at my 
request as I prefer to use news servers.

You may have a case about the troll, but you have no case against 
Dennis.  And this is backed up by the posts in the public archives of 
this newsgroup.

>>>bit.listserv.coco is still alive and everyone is welcome to join in and
>>>make it stronger.  That is what I like about Usenet, it is inclusive.

bit.listserv.coco by the closest that is official for usenet is a 
designated mirror of the now suspended coco mailing list.

It may be that occasional posts may keep it from being deleted from no 
activity, but that is not a guarantee.

Since the "official" mission of the bit.listserv.* newsgroups is to be 
gateways/mirrors of active mailing lists, the lack of an active mailing 
list may be enough to cause it to be removed.

Most likely though, it will probably continue as is.

>>So far the porn flood has not resumed. But activity may attract it.

> No, the porn came via the mail gateway.  Now it gets the same SPAM activity 
> as most other Usenet groups, maybe one every other week or so.

Correct.  Princeton was effectively operating their mailing lists as an 
open relay.

The amount of spam seen in this newsgroup varies by the news server 
operator.  From the several that I have access to, most of the spam is 
only visible on one of them, and that is not a public access news server.

It is very clear that most of the public news server operators will 
eventually stop accepting posts from other news servers that permit 
spammers to post.  And that is the only thing that is keeping spam out 
of usenet.

If most mail server operators took the same approach, there would be no 
market for end user spam filters.

> Building a group by being abusive in another should make you feel great.

I have seen no abuse directed by the members of the other list directed 
at bit.listserv.coco or people that which to post there.

> Face the truth whether you like it or not this group is rebuilding.
> 
> It is not my group it is not your group.  It is an open group this is the 
> only open group.

The newsgroup is also not universally available, I had to make a special 
request to my ISP to get it, and that took several months.

The bitnet alliance appears to have faded and replaced by the public 
internet, and commercial ISP news servers are dropping bit.listserv 
newsgroups because of lack of demand and activity.

And this has been going on for years.


The gmane newsgroup mirror of Dennis's list is open to anyone with a 
valid e-mail address, and it does not reveal that address to anyone.

Currently the posting volume of the new list/newsgroup is averaging 
daily over 10 times the peak daily posting rate that I ever saw on the 
old list.  The active membership is far higher, even though a few good 
people have not joined up and are missed.

If someone is looking for help or information on COCO related issues, 
the new list/news server is where most of the people are at.

-John
wb8tyw@qsl.network
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