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Started by Mark VanderMeulen
Mon, 16 Aug 1993 21:05
Science and Religion
Author: Mark VanderMeulen
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 21:05
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 21:05
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I would be very interested to hear what Dr. Burkey defines as an "overexposure to JudeoChristianity." Especially keeping in mind the fact that using science to disprove religion is as much a bastardization of science as the creationist's use of the Bible as the basis for science. Neither asks questions which are scientif- ically testible (falsifiable). I fail to see why so many scientists continue to have such a combative attitude towards religion, except perhaps as a holdover from the days when the organized Judeo-Christian religions were attacking the theory of evolution. Fortunately, those days are over for all but the most conservative religious groups. As a graduate student, I have found that one of the most widespread vanities among biologists (I am in an Ecology and Evolution Section, so most of my experience is from practitioners of those disciplines) is to assume that the whole world thinks the same way that we do. After all, we were the ones who got scholarships and grants and fellowships; the people pay us to do their thinking for them, right? Well I'm sorry but very few people in this country, let alone the world, think scientifically. There has been a lot of discussion of human overpopulation and environmental degradation on this bulletin board over the last few weeks. I don't believe we can ever get anything done unless we start talking on a level that people without a Ph.D. (or even without a bachelor's degree) can understand. For many people, that includes a religious aspect to life. We will make the most headway when we realize that we can work with religious groups instead of against them. After all, no one else has more experience in changing the way people think. Besides, anyone who seriously reads the Book of Isaiah can fail to see how closely it holds the fate of the people to the fate of the land on which they live. Stewardship, the idea that man is responsible for safegarding the natural world as a gift from God, is clearly an idea which seems very compatible with much of what has been said posted here over the last month. If we can encourage churches to emphasize stewardship over the Western culture's Pioneer/Conquistador Mentality we will have won ourselves a powerful ally. And if it seems that science and religion are strange bedfellows, recall that no alliance is without its disagreements. However, both sides of an alliance agree that the good which can come out of their cooperation is more important than the differences which separate them. Looking forward to everyone's comments, Sincerely, Mark VanderMeulen (t80mav1@niu.bitnet)
Re: Science and Religion
Author: L Boyd
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 21:46
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 21:46
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Mark VanderMeulen <T80MAV1%NIU.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU> writes: >I would be very interested to hear what Dr. Burkey defines as an >"overexposure to JudeoChristianity." Especially keeping in mind >the fact that using science to disprove religion is as much a >bastardization of science as the creationist's use of the Bible as >the basis for science. Neither asks questions which are scientif- >ically testible (falsifiable). Religion and science (at least in the west) are inexorably tied: much of early science was controlled by the RC Church, and much of christianity is directly tied to the mother of all philosophers: Aristotle. It's a debate as ole as the ages, and I suspect that it will continue! I agree that it's a futile effort to try to "disprove" religion with science. It's trying to *know* the unknowable, and it simply cannot be done. Much like the apple trying to say that the orange is wrong (and the other way around!): the question make no sense, and only results in a nonsensical answer. Why not spend that energy finding a way to feed starving kids, or educate our children more effectively? lauren boyd
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