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more endnote problems

#599
From: bob pasker
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 16:48
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i still have not received any answer to my query of 4 weeks ago about
problems formatting using both series title and series editor in chicago
style. i now have some new major problems that have cropped up after a few
months of heavy use. 

creating an independent bibliography according to the instructions is a
daunting task if you want to keep updating them. i need to share hardcopy
topical bibliographies of about a hundred items; we keep making changes to
said bibliographies and there is no easy way to have endnote+ 1.3 replace
citation markers with fully formatted bibliographic entries.  e.g.:
-----
Topic 1
[author1 1991]
[author3 1991]
[author5 1991]

Topic 2
[author4 1991]
[author2 1991]
etc.
-----
should be formatted as:
-----
Topic 1
author1. title. place: publisiher, date.
author3. title. place: publisiher, date.
author5. title. place: publisiher, date.

Topic 2
author4. title. place: publisiher, date.
author2. title. place: publisiher, date.
etc.
-----
instead, i get:
-----
Topic 1
(author1 1991)
(author3 1991)
(author5 1991)

Topic 2
(author4 1991)
(author2 1991)
etc.

author1. title. place: publisiher, date.
author2. title. place: publisiher, date.
author3. title. place: publisiher, date.
author4. title. place: publisiher, date.
author5. title. place: publisiher, date.
etc.
----- 
which is worthless for maintaining 4 bibliographies of over 100 entries.
making up a special field in endnote and sorting the bibliography by that
field before formatting is also not applicable because each item may appear
multiple times in multiple bibliographies.

the second major problem is that support for chicago style is woefully
inadequate. it is most inappropriate to use "(author date)"-style citations
in history. i thought i could get away with having two styles, chicago and
chicagoFN, for bibs and footnotes, respectively, but that doesn't really
work very well because i still have to go back and replace subsequent
occurrances of footnotes with short cites and ibid/idem. furthermore, in
footnotes, one cites the piece to which one refers, but the bibliography
cites only the ENTIRE WORK. this is not feasable.

support for reprint editions is completely lacking. this is especially
problematic for original documents.

i keep references to published collections of essays, which i need to cite
both independently and as a whole. becuase endnotes is "flat," i need to
keep all the essays in a single entry or have an entry for each collection
of essays or both! furthermore, essays can be reprints of articles that
previously appeared in journals. there is no support for this. if i receive
new information about a volume which has 20 essays, i need to update 21
records!

in short, if i could get my money back for endnotes, i would do so in a
minute. even though there is a 30-day moneyback guarantee, it was only
after six months of use in varying conditions that i have determined that
it makes more work for me, not less. it is also VERY slow to boot and, on
the Macintosh, the thermometer bars that show progress are worthless.

furthermore, i would steer those who are in the humanities away from
endnotes and encourage them to try procite instead.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- brown u., dept. of history
-- rbp@brown.edu
--
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