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In article <jratliff-101193202700@econ179.bpa.arizona.edu>,
jratliff@bpa.arizona.edu (Jim Ratliff) wrote:

> I use "Smart Quotes" in Word for the Mac. However, the EN+ PIM doesn't do
> Smart Quotes. Would this difficult to implement?
> 
> I realize that there are extensions out there which will do Smart Quotes
> globally (and therefore will work in the PIM as well). However, I like to
> exclude Word from their use, because Word's Smart Quoting seems smarter
> than the extensions. But if I exclude Word from the extension (in order to
> use Word's built-in Smart Quotes feature) that also has the effect of
> excluding the EndNotes PIM from the extension as well.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say that the EN+ PIM "doesn't do Smart
Quotes." Can you elaborate? When I have smart quotes turned on in Word and
I format my bibliography I get the correct curly quotes and apostrophes
both in the case where the EndNote bibliographic style calls for quotes and
in the case where there is a quote (or apostrophe) in the reference like
"O'Rourke" or "St. John's Press."

It is true that normal data entry in the EndNote Plus Module or Application
does not have a feature where typing an apostrophe or quote will
automatically give you a curly one -- but it seems unnecessary since Word
will do the right thing when the paper is formatted.

By the way, don't try to be clever like I once did and try to type
option-shift ] to get the apostrophe to be curly in an Irish name like
O'Rourke when you are entering the name into an EndNote author field. It
results in scrambled references where the module is looking for O'Rourke
spelled with a straight apostrophe, especially if the paper has gone
through the process of being converted to/from module citations and text
citations. Let Word do the curly quote work and just type in straight ones.
-- 
Dana E. Keil                          University of California at Berkeley
Department of Agricultural and Resource Economics    dana@are.Berkeley.EDU

In article <dana-111193133346@gia3mac18.berkeley.edu>,
dana@are.Berkeley.EDU (Dana E. Keil) wrote:

> In article <jratliff-101193202700@econ179.bpa.arizona.edu>,
> jratliff@bpa.arizona.edu (Jim Ratliff) wrote:
> 
> > I use "Smart Quotes" in Word for the Mac. However, the EN+ PIM doesn't do
> > Smart Quotes. Would this difficult to implement?

[...]

> I'm not sure what you mean when you say that the EN+ PIM "doesn't do Smart
> Quotes." Can you elaborate? When I have smart quotes turned on in Word and
> I format my bibliography I get the correct curly quotes and apostrophes
> both in the case where the EndNote bibliographic style calls for quotes and
> in the case where there is a quote (or apostrophe) in the reference like
> "O'Rourke" or "St. John's Press."
> 
> It is true that normal data entry in the EndNote Plus Module or Application
> does not have a feature where typing an apostrophe or quote will
> automatically give you a curly one -- but it seems unnecessary since Word
> will do the right thing when the paper is formatted.

Thanks for pointing out that Word will format the bibliography correctly
even though the EndNote database contains only straight quotes! I never
realized that.

One qualification: Word will provide the curly quotes if it formats the
bibliography from citations. However, if you instead do a "copy formatted"
of a citation and then paste into Word, Word will not Curlyize (TM) the
straight quotes.

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 \_|IM RATLIFF
   Dept. of Economics
   University of Arizona

P.S. Related to this, but concerning Word, not EndNote: You can get Word to
curlyize straight quotes in existing text. Just do a global change twice
(once for single quotes and one for double quotes) with Smart Quotes turned
on. (Specifically, put a single quote in both the From and To fields in the
Change dialog box. Then choose Change All. Same process for double quotes.)

P.P.S. Word's Smart Quotes seems to fail in one class of cases very
predictably. Try typing "The Summer of '42" with Smart Quotes turned on.
The single quote before the "42" should be a _closing_ single quote. But
because it comes after a space and before a nonblank character, Word makes
it an _opening_ single quote.