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Original Pub Dates in Styles & Refs
#1452
Author: wblattner
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 03:33
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I'm curious how folks incorporate original dates of publication into 
their databases and styles.  What I have in mind is this.  Suppose 
you're working with the Collected Works of John Dewey, published over 
the last 20 years.  You want to cite the CW editions of some text, but 
also have the reference list -- perhaps even the in-text citations -- 
indicate date of original publication.  

I've designated a custom field for Original Dates.  I tried to 
incorporate them into citations and bibliographies, but ran into a 
problem.  I used a modified Author-Date format, thus:  
(Dewey 1908/1977).  But I had two references with precisely the same 
dates, and EN+ PIM wouldn't put a disambiguating letter in, thus:
(Dewey 1908/1977a).  

I don't want to put "1908/1977" into the Year field itself, in case I 
want to format a paper without original dates.  

What do other folks do?  

Bill Blattner

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Re: Original Pub Dates in Styles & Refs
#1453
Author: John G Norman
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:29
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I also have the problem with dates of editions. I always cite the
one I use, which is typically a recent one. But sometimes I need
my bibliography to give either an original date, of which my
edition is a reprint, or an original publication year. (E.g.,
if I'm citing a text from the 16th century, the original publication
date can be important to my argument. So the bibliography entry
would give that pub. year.)

I keep a date called "Original pub/written" in Custom 3. This is
a date that would normally go after the title in a Chicago A
bibliography. But a reprint is a different case. I put reprint
years in Custom 1. Reprint years are formatted with the publisher
data.  Thus one might easily have all three dates: the date of
the actual edition cited; the date of the original for that
edition (if it's a reprint); and finally the date of the actual
first published edition (not a reprint).  The Chicago manual
of style is (strangely) silent on the question of listing the
date of original publication.

I also use the "Original pub/written" (Custom 3) field for the
date of first publication in the original language.

Thus you might get something like this:

	Foucault, Michel. The History of Sexuality: An
	Introduction. 1976. Translated by Robert Hurley, vol. 1.
	1978; reprint, New York: Vintage Books, 1990.

I suppose that in some social sciences the in-text version
of this would be Foucault (1990 [1976])?

There should probably be standard fields for these dates in
the supplied EndNote structure so that the data is in the
same place, should people want to trade bibliographies.
Re: Original Pub Dates in Styles & Refs
#1455
Author: wblattner
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 15:34
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In article <286irb$54n@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, 
jnorman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John G Norman) writes:
 
> I keep a date called "Original pub/written" in Custom 3. This is
> a date that would normally go after the title in a Chicago A
> bibliography. 

What is a "Chicago A" bibliography?  I take it that it is different 
from the Chicago style that comes with EN+.  (If it makes a 
difference, I use EN+ on a Mac.)

> But a reprint is a different case. I put reprint
> years in Custom 1. Reprint years are formatted with the publisher
> data.  Thus one might easily have all three dates: the date of
> the actual edition cited; the date of the original for that
> edition (if it's a reprint); and finally the date of the actual
> first published edition (not a reprint).  
> 
> I also use the "Original pub/written" (Custom 3) field for the
> date of first publication in the original language.
> 
> Thus you might get something like this:
> 
> 	Foucault, Michel. The History of Sexuality: An
> 	Introduction. 1976. Translated by Robert Hurley, vol. 1.
> 	1978; reprint, New York: Vintage Books, 1990.
 
Lots of good ideas!  Thanks!  So, your style has this in it:  

Custom 1;*reprint,

where the "*" denotes a non-breaking space?  

> I suppose that in some social sciences the in-text version
> of this would be Foucault (1990 [1976])?

Could EN+ add disambiguating letters to this?  Anyone know?  Avi?  
 
> There should probably be standard fields for these dates in
> the supplied EndNote structure so that the data is in the
> same place, should people want to trade bibliographies.

I agree.  

Bill Blattner

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_______________________________________________________________________
|  William D. Blattner          |  wblattner@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu  |
|  Dept. of Philosophy          |                                      |
|  Georgetown University        |  (tel) 202-687-4528                  |
|  Washington, DC  20057-1076   |                                      |
|    USA                        |  (fax) 202-687-4493                  |  
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