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From: lb05gate%UCSBUXA.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (Rick Gates)


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The individual winner of this Hunt was:

         Xander Jansen
         SURFnet Support Team
         SURFnet bv
         The Netherlands

...who scored a perfect 44 points in an entry dated:

      Mon, 01 Feb 93 22:16:42 +0100

The team winners of this Hunt were:

         The Panix Hunt Team
         Panix Public Access Unix & Internet
         New York, New York  U.S.A

...who also scored a perfect 44 points in an entry dated:

      Wed, 3 Feb 1993 18:35:31 -0500 (EST)

Congratulations to all the winners!

ABOUT THIS HUNT
---------------

Several players commented that they thought this was one of the
toughest Hunts yet.  However, including our winners, there were
a total of 6 perfect scores.  One of these months, I'll have to
try and dig up some really tough (9 or 10 point), questions!

Beginning with this month's results, I'm doing something a
little different.  I will no longer include all the answers
from the individual and team winners.  I will just include
those answers which I think are most useful.  Here's why the
change:

   1. Users of the Hunt answers are really interested in
   following the paths that the players have laid out.  Not all
   answers that receive full points are explained in such a way
   that novice users can *easily* follow the search strategy.
   Therefore, those answers that are clear, concise and make it
   easy for novices are the best candidates for inclusion in
   this document.

   2. The complete set of winners' answers will always be
   included in the gopher and ftp areas at CICNet
   (gopher.cic.net & ftp.cic.net).  This will allow users and
   players to check them over and keep me honest.

   3. There has been a lot of traffic on some lists lately
   about the approriateness of very long messages.  The Hunt
   results are a prime offender.  If I do not automatically
   include all winners' answers, I should be able to keep this
   document shorter.

   [Note: There may not always be perfect answers from any of
   the Hunt entries.  In this case, I may include one of my own
   :-)]

I hope this new plan is not disconcerting to this month's
winners.

HUNT ANSWERS
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1. (4) What is the name of the island on which the University
of California at Santa Cruz maintains a field station for
behavioral studies of marine mammals?

[Rick: The name of the island is Ano Nuevo.  Information from
the InfoSlug system at UC Santa Cruz lists the name as Ao
Nuevo, a typo.  This question illustrates the care with which
we should assign authority to information found on the Net.  I
did not penalize players who found the incorrect form of the
name.]

Answers
-------

[From Craig Steinberger, State University of New York at
Buffalo, U.S.A]

   Rather than take the easy way out on this one, and search a
   gopher at UC Santa Cruz, I did it the hard way. If UCSC has
   a field station on a island, it must be a big research
   project.  Big research projects need money, and the NSF is
   one of the biggest suppliers of academic grants in the US.
   So, I decided to search the NSF gopher server.

   Using a gopher client or telnet, connect to the UMN Gopher
   Server. Then choose the following menus:

   Other Gopher and Information Servers
   North America
   USA
   National Science Foundation Gopher (STIS) (located at
      stis.nsf.gov)
   Index to NSF Award Abstracts

   Now, search for Santa Cruz. There are quite a few hits here, so
   you have to use your common sense to find an answer. The hit:

   Title: Biological Studies of Northern Elephant Seals

   looked like marine mammal studies, so that was a good prospect.
   Here is an extract from the abstract:

   The aim of this study is to determine whether male northern
   elephant seals, Mirounga angustirostris are as polygynous as
   observations of mating behavior suggest.  Precise estimates of
   the reproductive success of males breeding at Ano Nuevo,
   California, (etc.)

   This suggests that the island's name is Ano Nuevo. I wanted to
   be sure, so I confirmed by going to the UCSC Infoslug gopher
   server. Do the same procedure as above, but after you get to
   the USA Menu, select

   University of California - Santa Cruz, InfoSlug System

   then, select:

   The Researcher
   UCSC Faculty Research & Teaching (UCSC Catalog)

   search for Ano Nuevo:

   In the Biology::Introduction entry, it says:

   Ao Nuevo Island, north of Santa Cruz, is the site of extensive
   behavioral studies of marine mammals.

   This is a typo for Ano Nuevo.

   **************************************************
   ****** The Answer is Ano Nuevo Island  ***********
   **************************************************

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2. (5) What company produces the drug RU486, sometimes called
the morning after pill?

Answers
-------
[From Keith Morgan, Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
U.S.A.]
   telnet consultant.micro.umn.edu (login: gopher)
   2. Search titles in Gopherspace by _partial Boolean_ veronica
   index word(s) to search for: abortion pill
   10. The abortion pill
   answ: Roussel-Uclaf

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[From Hawk-Knows Team, University of Iowa, U.S.A.]
   telnet quake.think.com
   login: wais
   select the source: london-free-press
   search under RU.486
   you will get an output which is titled:
   Abortion: The politics of RU.486: Roussel.Uclaf
   Pharmaceuticals..

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[From John Berens, Northern Michigan University, U.S.A.]
   Answer: "Roussel-Uclaf, the only manufacturer of RU-486."

   Search strategy:
   telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
   9.  The World/
   1.  Other Internet Gopher Services/
   5.  North America/
   2.  USA/
   23. nevada/
   2.  University of Nevada/
   10. veronica (Search menu titles in GopherSpace)/
   1.  Search gopherspace by partial Boolean veronica <?>
   index word(s) to search for: ru-486
   20.  92-12-28-04: NLNS: Politics of RU-486.

[Rick:  You won't be able to recreate John's search.
Explaining why is a little detailed.  Hang in there...

   ...Veronica searches for RU-486 (with the hyphen) yielded
   hits on the Gopher server at ecosys.drdr.virginia.edu in an
   archive of the Bitnet list ACTIV-L.  Since older list
   activity is purged from this Gopher server over time, the
   hit on "NLNS: Politics of RU-486" dated 92/12/28 is no
   longer available.

   But, since this is a Bitnet listserv, I decided to search
   the archives (see question 4), with the following search
   sent through e-mail:

   //      JOB  Echo=No
   Database Search DD=Rules
   //Rules DD   *
   search 486 in activ-l since Dec
   index
   print all
   /*

   ...and I received the following index entry

   003439 92/12/28 03:20   90   NLNS: Politics of RU-486

   ...and here's part of the actual post to ACTIV-L

   >>> Item number 3439, dated 92/12/28 03:20:01 -- ALL
   Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 03:20:01 CST
   Reply-To:     Activists Mailing List <ACTIV-L@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
   Sender:       Activists Mailing List <ACTIV-L@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
   From:         "New Liberation News Service" <nlns@igc.apc.org>
   Subject:      NLNS: Politics of RU-486

   ...Although such research could be carried out under certain
   circumstances, Roussel-Uclaf, the only manufacturer of
   RU-486, has...

This time it's a lesson in how quickly info can disappear
from the net... and how there are other ways to find it!]

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3. (6) When does the fisheries research ship, Kaiyo Maru
return to Tokyo from the Bering Sea?

Answers
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[From Panix Hunt Team, Panix Public Access Unix & Internet,
U.S.A]
   ANSWER: (des@panix.com) March 24, 1993.

   Search Strategy:
   Well, the question stated this was a fishing research ship
   in the Bering sea. This sounded like some sort of
   Ocean-research project. Looking at Yanoff's Internet
   resource list turned up:

    * SPECIAL INTERNET CONNECTIONS:    Last Update: 12/28/92 *
    * Compiled By:  Scott Yanoff -  yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu *

   [...]

   >>> -Oceanic Info. Center telnet delocn.udel.edu or telnet
   128.175.24.1    (Login: info)

   An Oceanic Information center!

   NOTE: Yanoff's Internet resourse list is obtained by
   following the instructions received from "finger
   yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu"

   Which turned out to have the information required...

   Telnet to delocn.udel.edu

   Enter "INFO" at the "Username:" prompt and your full name at
   the "PLEASE ENTER YOUR NAME ->" prompt. Enter "N" at the: Is
   your terminal or emulation package capable of supporting
   TEKTRONIX 4010 GRAPHICS ? (Y or [N]) prompt.

   -> Select:
   5  Research Ship Schedules and Information  (menu)
   -> Select:
    1  Cruise schedule information

   -> Entering "kaiyo maru" at the "Enter the search string(s)"
      prompt yields:

     There are  1 match, Display them? [N]
     Entering "Y" produces:

   Kaiyo Maru     25-nov-1992 Tokyo     N Pacific           bio
   (J)       F3   24-mar-1993 Tokyo     Bering Sea          ADCP
                                                          Yatsu
   stop at vancouve & seattle

   Entering "?" at the next "Enter the search string(s) ->" prompt
   produces a help menu. Selecting:

       1. General Report Format -- cruise search output
          produces an explanation of the cruise format:

   HELP - CRUISE FORMAT

   The format for the output of the cruise information is as follows:

   shipname       depart date|depart port|general area     discipline
   country update arrive date|arrive port|specific area    experiment
                                        Navy grid sq     PI(inst)

   Indicating that the Kaiyo Maru departed Nov 25, 1992 from
   Tokyo and is in the specific area of the Bering Sea with
   stops at Vancouver & Seattle and will arrive at Tokyo on Mar
   24, 1993.

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4. (8) I saw on a printout of an anthropological email list
at my last university a mention of a film about life in the
African rain forests.  I think the discussion at the time
was about kinship.  Could you please tell me the title of
this film?

[Rick: I wanted people to get a look at the listserv
searching features available via Eric Thomas' Bitnet
listserv software.  This is a better method than retrieving
all the files for a year and then using a search tool to
find what you're looking for. A couple of players also found
the same answer through the InfoSlug system at UC Santa
Cruz]

Answers
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[From Xander Jansen, SURFnet Support Team, The Netherlands]
   This one can be answered using the database function of Eric
   Thomas's LISTSERV. You'll have to know that there is a
   listserv-list called ANTHRO-L at UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu. To
   find that out you can use the skeleton in the answer on Q6
   to look for lists on anthropology.

   To get the answer send a mail message to
   LISTSERV@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu with the following lines in the
   body of the message:

   //DBlook JOB Echo=no
   Database Search DD=Rules
   //Rules DD *
   select kinship and forest in anthro-l
   index
   print all

   The result will contain the mentioned message with the name
   of the film:

   >>> Item number 84, dated 92/10/15 21:18:00 -- ALL
   Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:18:00 EST
   Reply-To:     General Anthropology Bulletin Board <ANTHRO-L@UBVM.BITNET>
   Sender:       General Anthropology Bulletin Board <ANTHRO-L@UBVM.BITNET>
   From:         RICHARD ROBBINS <ROBBINRH@SNYPLAVA.BITNET>
   Subject:      Re: Good films on kinship?

   Date sent:  15-OCT-1992 21:17:06
   Here are a few additional films on kinship and family that
   you may find useful, along with some distributors:

      Baka: People of the Forest.
      A beautiful film about life in the African rainforests, and
      its threatened extinction.  Great sequences on childrearing
      and family solidarity.

   Answer: Baka: People of the Forest.

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[From The Carlow RTC TEam, Ireland]
   telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu    login:gopher
   9 The world
   6 The library
   12 Media center resources- Film, Video,Audio,cable TV
   3 catalog of USCS films,videodiscs & videotapes(subject index)
   3 ANTHROPOLOGY
   1 ANTHROPOLOGY

   BAKA:people of the forest

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[Rick:  There are a number of ways to find out which listserv
to search.  In addition to the method that Xander used (in
answer 6 below), here are some more...

[From Abhay Bulsari, Turku, Finland]
   There are 3 anthropological mailing lists, says
   listserv@vtvm2.bitnet to the command LISTS GLOBAL ANTHROP.

[From Craig Steinberger, State University of New York at Buffalo,
U.S.A]
   Another toughie. The give away was anthropological email
   list. I searched a listing of BITNET Listserv lists by:

   sending email to LISTSERV@UBVM.BITNET

   The body of the message was the word: LIST

   I got back via email a list of lists served by this server.
   I think lists like this are also posted to news.answers.
   Anyway, from this list is

   >>> List: ANTHRO-L
   *  General Anthropology Bulletin Board

[From John Berens, Northern Michigan University, U.S.A]
Search strategy:
   telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
   9.  The World/
   2.  Other Internet Databases and Services/
   3.  Directory of Academic Electronic Forums <?>
   index word(s) to search for: anthropology
   2.  *** *Anthropology, Cross Cultural Studies, and
   Archaeology* 000 (this provides a reference to the
   discussion list ANTHRO-L@UBVM)

[From pc@linus.mitre.org, Mitre Corp, Bedford, Massachusetts,
U.S.A]
   Used WAIS to find mailing lists related to anthropology by
   searching mailing-lists.src with the term "anthropology".
   There is an email list anthro-l at ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu.

[From Serban Nacu, Harvard University, U.S.A]
   I started on the Usenet with a search for groups about lists:
   nn
   SHIFT+G, Group or Folder: list
   There were a lot of groups bit.listserv, so after wasting
   some time reading them, I performed a Veronica search (see
   question 2) for the keyword: listserv. From the 243 items
   returned, after some browsing I picked item 112:All
   Available Listserv lists. I saved the file (quit, save) as
   lists, then I grepped it:
      grep -i anthr lists
   I found two entries:
      ANTHRO-L@UBVM     General Anthropology Bulletin Board
      FORENSIC@UNMVMA   FORENSIC MED., ANTHRO., DEATH INVEST., MORTAL

[From Walt Howe, DELPHI Internet SIG, U.S.A]
   The title of the film is "Baka: People of the Forest." I
   started by checking the List of Lists in WAIS (source 201)
   for the keyword "anthropology" and the most likely list was
   ANTHRO-L.
]

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5. (1) What is the capital of Liechtenstien?

[Rick: Note the name of the country was misspelled.  Askers of
questions aren't always right :-)  Everyone used the CIA's
World Factbook, though from different approaches.  Below are
Gopher, World Wide Web, and WAIS, respectively.]

Answers
-------
[From Melanie Harper, University College, London, England]
   Telnet to info.brad.ac.uk (143.53.2.5)
        Login as 'info'
        Select options:
        Other Sources of Information [10]
        Electronic Books [2]
        By Title [3]
        CIA World Factbook 1991 [6]
        L [21]
        Liechtenstein [6] (using the correct spelling, of course!)
        It lists the capital as Vaduz.

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[From The Hawk-Knows Team, University of Iowa, U.S.A]
   telnet info.cern.ch
   choose 1 to look by subject.
   choose 8 for CIA World Factbook
   search w/keyword: Liechtenstein
   choose 1 for first retrieved item which has the capital
   a few pages into the documents.

-------
[From Bill Oldfield, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada]
   - using my WaisStation ( wais client for the Macintosh
   from Thinking Machines Corp.) I searched the
   directory of servers for "Factbook"
   -  used the Factbook database (world-factbook.src) and
   searched for Liechtenstien and reviewed the article,
   Liechtenstein Geography, which contained the name of
   the capital
   - for those without a WaisStation client you can telnet
   to thinking machine (quake.think.com) and login as
   "wais".

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6. (6) Which e-mailing list has more subscribers, The Medical
Education and Health Information Discussion Group or The Health
Info-Com Network Newsletter ?

Answers
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[From Xander Jansen, SURFnet Support Team, The Netherlands]
   Also with the database function of LISTSERV. Send a mail
   message to: LISTSERV@VM1.NODAK.EDU with the following lines
   in the body of the message:

   //DBlook JOB Echo=no
   Database Search DD=Rules
   //Rules DD *
   select health info in lists
   index

   The result is:
   --> Database LISTS, 17 hits.

   > index
   Ref# Listname Nodename #Sub List title
   ---- -------- -------- ---- ----------
            [Rick: some hits deleted...]
   1716 INHEALTH RPITSVM   111 International Health Communication
   1752 FINAN-HC WUVMD      26 Health Care Financial Matters Discussion List
   1994 PANET-L  YALEVM    201 Medical Education and Health Info...
   2134 MEDNEWS  ASUACAD  1906 MEDNEWS - Health Info-Com Network Newsletter
   2908 EMFLDS-L UBVM      113 Electromagnetics in Medicine, Science...
   3347 SKEPTIC  YORKVM1   216 SKEPTIC Discussion Group

   Items 1994 and 2134 are the two 'competitors'. Column 4
   lists the number of subscribers and MEDNEWS has some more
   subscribers.

   Answer: MEDNEWS (Health Info-Com Network Newsletter)

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[From The Panix Hunt Team, Panix Public Access Unix & Internet,
U.S.A]
   ANSWER: (patlee@panix.com, ss@panix.com)
   The 'Health Info-Com Network Newsletter' has more
   subscribers than the 'Medical Education and Health
   Information Discussion Group'.

   Search Strategy:

   FTP to pit-manager.mit.edu
   cd /pub/usenet/sci.med
   Get the file: A_Guide_to_Health-Related_Usenet_Newsgroups.Z

   In it are these two lines (among many others):

   > PANET-L         YALEVM         Medical Education and Health Information
   > MEDNEWS         ASUACAD        Health Info-Com Network Newsletter

   Then I used the listserv commands to find out the number of
   subscribers:

   Mail To: listserv@yalevm.bitnet
   Subject:
   body: review panet-l

   Medical Education and Health Information Discussion Group
   List= PANET-L

   Total number of "concealed" subscribers:         1
   Total number of users subscribed to the list: 200
   (non-"concealed" only)
   Total number of local node users on the list: 4
   (non-"concealed" only)


   Mail To: listserv@asuacad.bitnet
   Subject:
   body: review mednews

   MEDNEWS - Health Info-Com Network Newsletter

   Health Info-Com Network Newsletter

   Total number of "concealed" subscribers:         9
   Total number of users subscribed to the list: 1913
   (non-"concealed" only)
   Total number of local node users on the list: 11
   (non-"concealed" only)


   COMMENT: (ss@panix.com) And all that at the ultimate
   sacrafice: 2400 baud!

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7. (3) How long was Methuselah of biblical fame said to have lived?

Answers
-------
[From Xander Jansen, SURFnet Support Team, The Netherlands]
   gopher gopher.micro.umn.edu
   select

   6. Libraries
    1.  Electronic Books/
     4.  Search Electronic Books <?>

   search for the string methuselah and select:

   --> 7.  005:027 And all the days of Methuselah were nine
            hundred sixty and.

   005:027 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred
   sixty and nine years: and he died.

   Answer: 969
   This is in years ;-)

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8. (2) In liquid measure, how many liters are in a U.S. Gallon?

Answers
-------
[From The Panix Hunt Team, Panix Public Access Unix & Internet,
U.S.A]
   ANSWER: (simona@panix.com): 3.875 411 784 liters

   Search Strategy:
   gopher scilibx.ucsc.edu 70
   -> 6, The Library
   -> 6, Electronic Reference Books
    -> 2, CIA World Factbook
     -> 8, Weights+measures

   Unit                    Metric Equivalent
   gallon, liquid (US)     3.785 411 784 liters

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9. (5) My uncle was recently diagnosed with colon cancer.  Where can I
find a good layman's description of the disease, along with details of
the kinds of treatments he may be experiencing?

Answers
-------
[From John Berens, Northern Michigan University, U.S.A]
   Answer: The National Cancer Institute provides Physicians
   Statements and Patients Statements on all forms of cancer.
   The Patients Statement would give the layman's description
   and details of treatment.

   Search strategy:
   mail cancernet@icicb.nci.nih.gov
   message: help
   (you are e-mailed the help file which gives the numbers for
   the different reports.  The number for the Patients
   Statement for Colon Cancer is cn-200008)

   To retrieve this report:
   mail cancernet@icicb.nci.nih.gov
   message: cn-200008

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10. (3) I ftp'd some big text files to my Unix account over at the
computer center recently.  I'd like to use them on my own DOS machine
at home, but they're in some sort of compressed format.  They all have
a .Z stuck on the end of the filenames.  I'd really like to find a
utility that will let me decompress them on my home computer,
otherwise I'll be stuck downloading some really big files over a modem
at 2400 baud.  Is there something that will do the trick?

Answers
-------
[Rick: My own answer.]
   Do a simple boolean Veronica search on: compression

   When you get your list of hits enter:

   /faq

   This will do a search on the list of Gopher hits for the string
   'faq'.  You will have to do this a few times before you get to
   anything usable.  The first I found the directory:

   compression-faq.

   Choose this, and then choose Part 1.  There will be a pause
   while Gopher retrieves this long file.  Once the file is
   retrieved, move down 6 or 7 screens until you get to the
   section that lists compressed file extensions (beginning with
   .arc:)  Continue to move down the file until you reach:

   .Z: compress for Unix ('the' LZW algorithm)
   It is likely that your Unix system has 'compress' already. Otherwise:
   wuarchive.wustl.edu:/packages/compression/compress-4.1.tar
   (not in .Z format to avoid chicken and egg problem)

   compress for MSDOS
   wuarchive.wustl.edu:/mirrors/msdos/compress/comp430[ds].zip
   garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/unix/comp430d.zip

   I opened an anonymous ftp session at wuarchive.wustl.edu.
   Went to the directory /mirrors/msdos/compress, and found that
   there were two files, comp430d.zip and comp430s.zip.  A quick
   look at the index (filename: 00-index.txt), told me that
   comp430s.zip was the C-source code for the program.  I don't
   want the source code, I want the actual program, so I did a
   binary transfer of comp430d.zip, unzipped it, and tested it on
   a .Z compressed postcript file locally, and it worked.

[Note: Pkunzip, a popular program for unzipping, is not free!
It is shareware.]

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Extra Credit (1).  Where can I find copies of the transition reports
recently released by the U.S. Government Accounting Office, detailing
problems that the U.S. faces?

Answers
-------
[From John Berens, Northern Michigan University, U.S.A]
   Answer and search strategy:
   telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
   7.  The Researcher/
   4.  Social Sciences/
   14. GAO Transition 1993 Reports/
   There are 28 reports which can be e-mailed back to you.

[From Xander Jansen, SURFnet Support Team, The Netherlands]
   anonymous ftp to cu.nih.gov
   directory gao-reports
   get the file abstract.fil for a descriptive list of
   available transitional reports

   Gopher-lovers can connect to gopher.micro.umn.edu and select:
   - Libraries
   - Information from the U.S. Federal Government/
   - U.S. General Accounting Office Transitional Reports/
   - ABSTRACT.FIL.

   to get the same information....

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Mystery Question:
-----------------
I remember hearing that polystyrene was discovered when some scientist
dropped moth balls (camphor) in some substance. I would like to know
what this substance was (I'm under the impression that it was a
commonly available chemical). I've been passively obsessing over this
question for a few weeks and I'd appreciate it if someone out there
can tell me if the answer is on the internet and how I could have
found this out for myself.  Thanks muchly. -S.

(Question contributed by Simona Nass of Panix Public Unix Access of
New York)

Answers
-------
[Rick: Nobody was able to find the answer to this question
using the Nets.  In fact several provided non-Net responses,
which I will send off to Simona.  In the interests of saving
space I do not wish to bog us down with them here.  Contact me
if you'd like them.  Adios!]