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Article #279Re: teaching search engines
From: Tracy Marks
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 00:00
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 00:00
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At 03:42 PM 4/22/99 -0400, you wrote: >how do you teach "search engines"? Do you >1. describe search engines, then pick a few that you like, demonstrating each and detailing quirks of each >or >2. describe search techniques (such as boolean searching or +/- syntax) and then say something like you can use technique "A" with search engine 1, 2, 3, and technique "B" with engines C, D, & E? In 2-3 hours of teaching search engines, I take students to five different search engines. In each case, I give them a search for us to do together, then give them time on their own to try their own search. Usually, I start with Infoseek's Advanced form, which is great and doesn't require remembering rules, then go to Infoseek regular and Northern Light (teaching +, -, ""), then go to AltaVista advanced (teaching boolean, which they never get right away), then end with Metacrawler or Savvy Search depending upon which one is most accessible at a busy time of day............. In the process I point out some of the differences between these search engines and also have students brainstorm together the search words they would use for the group "search" project with each search engine. When the group does a search together, I usually encourage different students to try different combinations of words with the same search engines, then we compare the results and talk about why some were more successful than others. What amazes me is that students still often expect the search engine to answer their question. They put in a few keywords and expect a few sentences or paragraphs to appear before their eyes which tells them specifically and succinctly what they want to know. I actually had a a student say last week, "What's the point of doing a search if you don't immediately get the answer to your question? Why can't it just tell me what I'm looking for?" I have to keep telling students that we're not yet in the days of Star Trek when we can say aloud, "Computer, tell me this" and the computer immediately applies. But so many students seem to expect such a response. And maybe in a few years, they'll get it too.......and research skills as a result will deteriorate even further. (Also, I find it important to explain why the search results that don't look relevant may be relevant - which does also involve explaining briefly how search engines work. One teaching example: Search for the name of the movie in which Mary Tyler Moore was a nun and Elvis Presley fell in love with her.......Usually one of the top results is a site about autism. Why? Because there's an autistic boy in that movie, and a paragraph on the first page of the site refers to the movie......I also take time to show students how to use EDIT, FIND in their browser so they can locate the keywords they were searching for as soon as they arrive on a page). In general, we spend about 25 minutes per search engine. If I had less time, I might focus on two search engines instead of five, and just talk about or quickly demonstrate the other three......... Tracy Marks ______________________________________________________________ Tracy Marks, M.A. tmar@tiac.net http://www.windweaver.com/ WINDWEAVER Web & Windows 95 Resources - Web search and design Webwinds Web Cameras http://www.webwinds.com/ Webcards: Annotated Guide http://www.webwinds.com/cards/cards.htm K12 Resource site http://www.webwinds.com/k12/links.htm Figure skating photos http://www.webwinds.com/skating/skating.htm (for sale http://www.ebay.com - torreyphilemon - in sports memorabilia)
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