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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:14:03 PST
From: lb05gate%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.EDU (Rick Gates)
Subject: January Hunt Results
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* Results of the January, 1993 *
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* INTERNET HUNT *
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* (long message: about 1,000 lines) *
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This month we have winners in the individual and team
categories.
The individual winner is:
John Berens
University Librarian
Olson Library
Northern Michigan University
Marquette, MI 49855
John scored a perfect 43 out of 43 possible points in an entry
dated: Sat, 09 Jan 93 21:29:08 EST
And the team winners are:
The Panix.Hunt Team
Panix Public Unix Access of New York
New York, New York.
The Panix.Hunt Team scored 42 out of 43 points in an entry
dated: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:02:19 -0500 (EST)
Congratulations to all the winners!
Note to the Players
-------------------
Thanks to you all for giving us such a good demonstration of
how it's done. For those of you requesting your individual
scores, they're done, but I'm leaving for Denver tonight. I
will mail them to you on Wed night (1/27).
Statistics
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Total entries: 18
Total individual entries: 15
Total team entries: 3
My Comments about this Hunt
---------------------------
1.There were some tricky moments for me in this Hunt. I set
myself up for some tough questions that I'm still tracking
down. If anyone can provide more illumination on why Giovanni
De Poli's appears to have 5 email addresses, or the Toyota
question, fire me off a message and I'll summarize.
2.It's becoming more difficult to grade certain types of
responses. Some players used a local Turbo gopher client to
connect to their home gopher server. This made it tough to
retrace as I don't know where their home gopher is. While I
could manage it (because I know the answers!), it may be
difficult for others to follow their searches.
What I'm thinking of doing next month is asking players to
double check that they are including the hostname and port for
their home gopher server so that others can follow in their
footsteps.
3. Since I've included all the answers for both classes of
winners, and I really want to include other good answers, the
size of this document is getting out of hand. What I think
I'll do from now on, is just pick out a few answers for each
question that are good, or clever, or illuminate some little
known method for wrestling with the dreaded Net-Beast! :-)
Very Inventive Veronica
-----------------------
Veronica now has boolean searching capabilities. Precedence is
left-to-right, with no nesting operators. It is
case-independent. When you access Veronica read the About file
for explanations.
When I tried it, a search on
christmas
...yielded 90 entries, and a search on
christmas and tree
...yielded 33 entries, and they looked right.
Thanks to D.G. Gilbert, and the folks at U.N. Reno for the
extra functionality.
Another Home for the Hunt
-------------------------
Many thanks to the folks at CICNet as they have provided me
with a Gopher for Hunt distribution. Now, rather than having
to wait for mail and usnet messages to percolate to them,
players can grab the Hunt questions mere seconds after I make
them available.
The CICNet gopher is available on that long list of US
gophers. If you prefer to point your users directly to it (my
preference, certainly), here are the details:
Name=The Internet Hunt
Type=1
Port=70
Path=1/hunt
Host=gopher.cic.net
Note: It looks like the Hunt is not accessible via Veronica yet.
So now, without further delay, here are:
The Hunt Answers
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1. (5) How does one say "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" in
Czech?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok.
Search strategy:
telnet panda.uiowa.edu
4. Online Information Services...
12. Veronica (search menu items in most of GopherSpace...
2. Search many (300) Internet gopher menus by SINGLE keyword <?>
index word: holiday
130. holiday-greetings
Team Winner's Answer
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>telnet scilibx.ucsc.edu \ or, of course, use a gopher client
>login: gopher / directly
>choice 9, The World
>choice 1, Other Internet Gopher Servers
>choice 8, Veronica search of much of GopherSpace
>choice 2, Search ...
Index word...: christmas
choose article 140. Merry-Christmas.
For those who are interested "Merry Christmas & Happy New Year"
in Czech is the following:
Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok
Other Answers
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What's interesting is I had searched veronica on all key
words except merry.... I tried merry and got a hit... why
didn't christmas work? It does now!!!
TurboGopher
Home Gopher Server
Other Gopher and Information Servers
Search Gopherspace using veronica
Search on keyword Merry
produces a file called Merry Christmas which contains
>From soc.roots Thu Dec 19 08:54:02 1991
MERRY X'MAS (or equivalent) AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR - in many
languages!
Czech Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok
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2. (6) Is the Toyota Motor Corporation connected to the Internet?
Individual Winner's Answer
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Answer: The Toyota Motor Corporation, Communication Technology
Department, CIS Planning Division, has four Internet addresses:
NET-T1: 161.93.0.0
NET-T2: 161.94.0.0
NET-T3: 161.95.0.0
NET-T4: 161.96.0.0
Search strategy:
telnet nic.ddn.mil
@: whois
whois: toyota
Team Winner's Answer
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ANSWER (reynolds): Telnet to nic.ddn.mil
(panix) % whois toyota
TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM1) TOYOTA-COM1 161.93.0.0
TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM2) TOYOTA-COM2 161.94.0.0
TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM3) TOYOTA-COM3 161.95.0.0
TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM4) TOYOTA-COM4 161.96.0.0
Toyota College of Technology
(NET-TOYOTA-CTNET) TOYOTA-CTNET 133.85.0.0
Toyota Technological Institute (NET-TOYOTA-TI)
TOYOTA-TI 133.21.0.0
Toyota, Yasuo
(YT11) apaj-imo-o@ZAMA-EMH1.ARMY.MIL (DSN)
233-5821
To single out one record, look it up with "!xxx", where xxx
is the handle, shown in parenthesis following the name,
which comes first.
Other Answers
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The strict answer is no (no IP connection). The users answer is: yes,
you can send mail to them. I found no references in the usual databases
(nic.ddn.mil etc) but there is a domain called toyota.co.jp belonging to
the Toyota Motor Corporation. It can be found by telnetting to
nnsc.nsf.net (Q10), logging in as wais and selecting the uumap.src
database. Then you can search for toyota.
(Short answer: use the wais source uumap.src to search for toyota ;-)
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1. telnet archie.au
2. login: netfind
3. Seed database lookup
4. Seed database search
5. Keys (blank to exit): toyota
The answer is
fk.toyota.co.jp toyota motor corporation, japan
toyota.co.jp toyota motor corporation, aichi, japan, japan
tytlabs.co.jp toyota central research and development
laboratories, inc, japan
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Telnet 134.82.11.4 185 to Knowbot white pages and enter "Toyota."
Results:
Name: TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS
PLANNING DIV.
Phone: 161.93.0.0
E-Mail: TOYOTA-COM1
Source: whois@nic.ddn.mil
Ident: NET-TOYOTA-COM1
Last updated: (unknown)
[Rick: other entries omitted as they are listed above...]
[etc....] Answer: Yep!
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telnet to quake.think.com (WAIS), login as wais
select "domain-organizations"
search for "Toyota"
This produces (if we ignore one unusable result) the following
<D>omain/<O>rganization/<H>ost information:
%D fk.toyota.co.jp
%O toyota motor corporation, japan
%H tmclab
%D toyota.co.jp
%O toyota motor corporation, aichi, japan, japan
%H qe
%D tytlabs.co.jp
%O toyota central research and development laboratories, inc, japan
%H milab elmlab iclab robotics
[Rick:The question on Toyota was tricky as some leads indicated
that they were not directly connected to the Internet. What I
was looking for was not a particular type of connectivity, but
reachability via some method. This is the kind of simplistic
question that reference librarians get all the time.]
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3. (3) Hi! I have a new account on a unix machine here, and I
HATE the editor I have for my mail. It's called vi. So I
found another editor that I can use called emacs. Emacs is
supposed to be customizable, but I've managed to screw things
up a little. Can you tell me where I can get some advice from
more experienced emacs users?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: there are 27 internet/bitnet/LISTSERV interest
groups that cover emacs. Two of the broadest are
emacs@bnadp11.bitnet and emacs@tcsvm.bitnet. You can post
questions about emacs to these and other lists and
experienced users will respond.
Search strategy:
telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
9. The World/
1. Other Internet Gopher Servers/
8. Veronica Search of much of GopherSpace/
2. Search many (300) Internet Gopher menus by Single keyword <?>
index word: listserv
36. Search the list of internet/bitnet/LISTSERV interest
groups <?> index word: emacs
Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
ANSWER (simona, reynolds): These are the various emacs
newsgroups. My guess is the first one.
** gnu.emacs.help: 1-6709
comp.emacs: 1-6486
gnu.emacs.announce: 1-50
gnu.emacs.bug: 1-2838
gnu.emacs.gnews:1-79
gnu.emacs.gnus: 1-1950
gnu.emacs.sources: 1-1072
gnu.emacs.vm.bug: 1-1113
gnu.emacs.vm.info: 1-680
gnu.emacs.vms: 1-184
(jhawk) Will you get more credit if you detail where this
information came from? If so, you can say ``grep emacs
/usr/lib/news/active'' or something. A better answer might
be to ftp the active file from ftp.uu.net (that's the most
authoritative one around) and grep through that.
>** gnu.emacs.help: 1-6709
>comp.emacs: 1-6486
Note that the 2 of these are slightly different but largely
overlapping. comp.emacs might be a better choice as the
question doesn't actually specify GNU emacs.
Other Answers
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While running GNU-emacs, press C-h C-d to view the DISTRIB
document supplied with GNU-emacs. This document lists the
host site for GNU-emacs as prep.ai.mit.edu.
FTP to prep.ai.mit.edu and GET file MAILINGLISTS from
directory /pub/gnu/gnuinfo. This document lists a USENET
newsgroup, gnu.emacs.help, that is available for receiving
help on general and specific questions about using emacs. It
also states that a one-way gate is provided in USENET
newsgroup
================================================================
4. (5) Can you get AIDS from kissing?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer. Some sexual activities are safer than others.
Practicing safe sex really means changing your sexual
lifestyle in a number of ways. Hugging, massaging, and
mutual masturbation are absolutely safe. French kissing,
oral sex without climaxing, and intercourse with both a
condom and spermicide (not foams) are reasonably safe. Any
sex in which there is bleeding, intercourse without a
condom, and bodily fluids in your mouth, or sharing objects
used in sexual stimulation are unsafe.
Search strategy:
telnet debra.dgbt.doc.ca
login: chat
select an information file: aids
ask a question: can you get AIDS from kissing?
Team Winner's Answer
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ANSWER (clay): telnet to debra.dgbt.doc.ca
login as "chat"
select the AIDS database -- This is the dialog:
Type a Question or Press ENTER to browse:
Aids from kissing?
[Rick: I won't bother including the same text again...]
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5. (3) I read in an electronic journal somewhere that a conference
was help in Padova, Italy on models of musical signals. I
wrote down the name of a contact, 'Giovanni De Poli'. Can you
find his email address for me?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: the address is depoli@sabrina.dei.unipd.it
Search strategy:
telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
9. The World/
7. Worldwide Internet Phone & Address Directories/
4. Internet-wide e-mail address searches/
2. NetFind server at AARNet (Melbourne, Australia) <tel>
2. Search
enter person and keys: poli padova
select domains 3 4 5
Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
ANSWER: We found two email addresses for him. See below.
(tovah): telnet mudhoney.micro.umn.edu (or any other netfind
site) (OK, OK, to be honest, I just went thru InfoSlug
again, using choices: 9,7,4,7)
login: netfind
choose "2. Search"
Enter person and keys.... --> poli padova italy
(Then narrow down your choice of domains: I used 6 5 3)
Answer: depoli@sabrina.dei.unipd.it
(I originally tried "giovanni" instead of "poli" but: (a) I
had forgotten that Giovanni is just Italian for John and got
back lots and lots of answers; and (b) the target guy wasn't
included anyhow, because he's listed as "Gianni De Poli".)
(rryan): The email address of Giovanni Di Poli is
"depoli@giulia.dei.unipd.it". I got this by sending the
command "send usenet-addresses/giovanni" (as the text of a
mail message) to "mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu"
Other Answers
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[Rick: The following looks like the best answer.]
Telnet to sun.uakom.cs (yes, the Czech one), log in as
netfind and search for 'poli padova italy'. Select the
unipd.it domain (just one of the six choices you get) and
wait a while. Netfind gives you the most probable address of
someone called Gianni de Poli (short for Giovanni ?):
SYSTEM: sabrina.dei.unipd.it
Login name: depoli
In real life: Gianni De Poli
Directory: /users/noi/depoli
Never logged in.
No Plan.
SUMMARY:
The most promising email address for "poli"
based on the above search is
depoli@sabrina.dei.unipd.it.
There's a catch however: this address hasn't been used yet
(and will not be used ever given the noi (no interactive?)
clue). Normally one would drop the sabrina part and use the
address depoli@dei.unipd.it.
A small investigation revealed that mail for
depoli@dei.unipd.it is delivered to a machine called paola
(allthough netfind tells you that it goes to sabrina!) and
the command finger depoli@paola.dei.unipd.it reveales:
[paola.dei.unipd.it]
User Real Name What Idle TTY Host Console Location
depoli Giovanni De Poli 7:31 *co giulia.d console
So (with a little guessing) the real answer is:
depoli@dei.unipd.it (In general one should be suspicious
about addresses with 'hostnames' in it. I normally always
drop machine specific parts in mail addresses and let the
network find the best delivery method unless I have hard
evidence (in case of your own address ;-) that the machine
part should be specified. Netfind isn't hard evidence !)
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1. telnet archie.au
2. login: netfind
3. Search
Enter person and keys (blank to exit) --> depoli Padova Italy
There are too many domains in the list.
Please select at most 3 of the following:
0. anna.dei.unipd.it (d.e.i. universita' di padova, italy)
1. astrpd.astro.it (astronet, vicolo dell'osservatorio, padova,italy)
2. bio.unipd.it (biology department, universita' di padova,italy)
3. dei.unipd.it (universita' di padova, italy)
4. ipdunivx.unipd.it (universita' di padova, centro calcolo diateneo, d
ell'universita' di padova, v. s.francesco, padova, italy)
5. necsy.it (necsy s.p.a, padova, italy)
6. unipd.it (universita' di padova, italy)
Enter selection (e.g., 3 1 2) --> 6
MAIL FOR Giovanni De Poli IS FORWARDED TO
depoli@anna.dei.unipd.it
4. finger depoli@anna.dei.unipd.it
[anna.dei.unipd.it]
User Real Name What Idle TTY Host Console Location
depoli Giovanni De Poli 14:46 *co giulia.d console
[Rick: This was a tough nut for me to crack. I still haven't
finished it yet. It seems there is more than one way to reach
Giovanni. To try to settle the matter, I sent a mail message
to Giovanni at both sabrina and anna, and received the
following message which doesn't exactly clear things up. Note
the From: line in the header.]
From: depoli@paola.dei.unipd.it (Giovanni De Poli)
To: lb05gate%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu
Subject: Re: Question from the Internet Hunt
Yes, I am Giovanni De Poli. My best E-mail address is
depoli@dei.unipd.it
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6. (2) What is the primary religion in Somalia?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: almost entirely Sunni Muslim.
Search Strategy:
telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
7. The Researcher/
4. Social Sciences/
4. CIA World Factbook <?>
index word: somalia
3. Somalia
Team Winner's Answer
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ANSWER (simona): gopher scilibx.ucsc.edu 70
choice 6, Library
choice 6, Electronic Reference Books
choice 2, CIA World Factbook 1991
choice 2, Search CIA World Factbook 1991
choice 2, Somalia
Under the heading of Religion: Sunni Muslim
COMMENT (clay): I used the Panix gopher!
Other Answers
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1. telnet quake.think.com
2. login: wais
3. goto 351: [ cmns-moon.think.com] world-factbook
4. search for somalia
The answer is
Religion: almost entirely Sunni Muslim
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! Used the Univ. of Minnesota Gopher.
! Selected Electronic Books and performed a keyword search
! on SOMALIA
! Presented me with World Facts Book entry for Somalia.
! Full Gopher technical entry listed below
Name=Somalia /Gutenberg/factbook/S/
Type=0
Port=70
Path=R0-8684-/Gutenberg/factbook/S/Somalia
Host=joeboy.micro.umn.edu
================================================================
7. (4) I understand that the Net is being put to use
distributing information and pictures of missing children.
Where can I find out more, and where can I find the pictures?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: missing child GIFs are available through FidoNet.
On the Internet, they can be ftp'd from halcynom.com. More
information can be obtained from Marv Cotton, the Heidi
Search Center, 2402 Pat Booker Rd., Universal City, TX
78148-3210, email: marv.cotton@fquest.fidonet.org.
Search strategy:
telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
9. The World/
2. Other Internet Systems and Databases/
8. Search FTP Sites (Archie)/
1. Exact search of Archive sites on the Internet <?>
index word: alt.missing-kids
2. cs.dal.ca:/pub/comp.archives/alt.missing-kids
Team Winner's Answer
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ANSWER (des): The news-group "alt.missing-kids" is the place
to look. The "official" site for the gifs (they have
hundreds) is "halcyon.com". The gifs (and related files)
are in "pub/alt.missing-kids.gifs".
anonymous ftp to halcyon.com
cd pub/alt.missing-kids.gif
Other Answers
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On the French EMBnet gopher there is a directory for all
newsgroups. I found a group called alt/missing-kids. Using
this as a keyword for archie I got this menu:
Internet Gopher Information Client v1.1
cs.dal.ca:/pub/comp.archives/alt.missing-kids/
--> 1. missing-child-gifs.
This file contains the following:
I would like to remind everyone that the Missing Child GIFs
are available through the FIDO Filebone, also distribution
can be made by Freqing and returning the REQUEST.ZIP form
from 387/622, 2612/107, 384/3 or 343/34.
INTERNET: The GIFs are available for FTP from Halcyon.COM
or Fquest.
RIME: The GIFs are available through Russell Coombs.
GT or other Nets please get in touch with me to ensure the
GIFs are
available to you.
-----
[Rick: The following didn't get full points, but it seems
like valuable information for those interested in pursuing
this topic.]
! Used Veronica to keyword search on Children and
! Found a listing and Missing Children, this is all that
! I located pertaining to a database being planned.
This item moved over AppleLink 6-Feb-92, 23:20PST.
SCHENECTADY, NY - Computer Users for Social
Responsibility, Inc.
CUSR is also negotiating with a major online service to
host a Child Find Forum online which will act as an
educational and distribution center on the issue of missing
children. More than 75 million Americans own a personal
computer and 25% of those have access to a modem which
allows them to engage in online communcations, Rittner said.
To contact Don Rittner from the INTERNET:
drittner@uacs1.albany.edu
OR
UG0194@AppleLink.Apple.COM
OR home 518 374-1088
snail mail is 1726 Lenox Rd., Schenectady, NY 12308"
================================================================
8. (4) Where can I find tables listing the nutritive values of
different foods?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: the tables are in the USDA Nutrient Data BAse for
Standard Reference, Release 10--Nutrient Data from
Agricultural Handbook No. 8. There are more than 20 files
of data.
Search strategy:
telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
9. The World/
1. Other Internet Gopher Servers/
8. Veronica Search of much of GopherSpace/
2. Search many (300) Internet gopher servers by Single
keyword <?> index word: nutrition
1. Nutrition Information/
1. Nutrient Data/
2. Data/
2. SR10/
Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
ANSWER (tovah, mintak): anonymous ftp to info.umd.edu
cd info/Goverment/US/NutrientData/Data/SR10
The files that exist here are the raw data in computer format.
cd info/Government/US/NutrientData/Bulletins
datalist -- contains ordering information of database information
datadesc -- contains file format of data
filedesc -- contains file descriptions of the files.
Note: The data in the SR10 is split up among many files. You have to
read filedesc to figure which file goes with what.
Other Answers
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Telnet University of Minnesota gopher:
consultant.micro.umn.edu. Select 9 (other), 2 (search
Veronica) and search "nutrition". Select 1 (nutrition
information), 1 (nutrient data), 2 (data), 1 (other), 4
(hg72.doc), 3 (hg72.dat). It was necessary to look at the
Readme files in the final selection options before making
the correct choice.
[Rick: I checked, and the data in all of these files is stored
in ascii comma delimited format, a format readable by most
database managers and spreadsheets.)
================================================================
9. (3) What is the text of the 1st Amendment to the
Constitution of the United States?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the
press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and
to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Search strategy:
telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
6. The Library/
3. Electronic Books and Other Texts/
15. Historical Documents/
1. Amendments
Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
ANSWER (simona): anonymous ftp to ftp.eff.org
cd /pub/academic/civics
file is called constitution.us
COMMENT (reynolds): ftp to either ftp.uu.net (in docs I
think), or one of the ftp sites at utoronto.edu
[Rick: 1 point off for not giving me the text.]
================================================================
10. (5) You know, I've gotten a lot of good network information by
FTPing files from nnsc.nsf.net. What kind of computer and operating
system is nnsc.nsf.net?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: SUN-3/280 running UNIX.
Search strategy:
telnet nic.ddn.mil
@ whois
whois: host nnsc.nsf.net
Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
ANSWER (des):
% whois nnsc.nsf.net
NSFNet (CIC2)
Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.
10 Moulton Street
Cambridge, MA 02138
Hostname: NNSC.NSF.NET
Nicknames: NIC.NNSC.NSF.NET
Address: 128.89.1.178
>>>>> System: SUN-3/280 running UNIX
Coordinator:
Mills, Cynthia G. (CGM6) cmills@BBN.COM
(617) 873-4143
domain server
NSFNET End-User Support
Record last updated on 26-Mar-92.
To see this host record with registered users, repeat the
command with a star ('*') before the name; or, use '%' to
show JUST the registered users.
%
HINT (reynolds): The hosts file at nic.ddn.mil might have
this information.
(nina): nslookup will do this, but I don't have the syntax
handy right now.
Other Answers
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[Rick: I think the following is the best answer]
Answer: SUN-3/280 running SunOS release 4.1.1
First TELNET NIC.DDN.MIL or 192.112.36.5
@WHOIS
Whois: NNSC.NSF.NET
! Lets see what the official NIC entry about NNSC.NSF.NET
! says. Extra info provided such as who to contact with
! questions.
NSFNet (CIC2)
Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.
10 Moulton Street
Cambridge, MA 02138
Hostname: NNSC.NSF.NET
Nicknames: NIC.NNSC.NSF.NET
Address: 128.89.1.178
! Next line is simple blurb about computer system and
! operating system
System: SUN-3/280 running UNIX
Coordinator:
Mills, Cynthia G. (CGM6) cmills@BBN.COM
(617) 873-4143
domain server
NSFNET End-User Support
Record last updated on 26-Mar-92.
! Last update 26-Mar-92? Let us check to see if we got all
! the info, let's connect through TELNET and check a few more
! details.
Telnet NNSC.NSF.NET or 128.89.1.178 and you get:
SunOS UNIX (nnsc.nsf.net)
! Those familiar with unix may know that there is often a
! standard login entry called sync which will show detailed
! info, below is revealed the exact version of the operation
! system.
login: sync
SunOS Release 4.1.1 (NNSC) #2: Fri Oct 16 17:21:31 EDT 1992
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Telnet to the Knowbot white pages (Telnet 134.82.11.4 185).
Enter "nnsc.nsf.net" yields results:
> nnsc.nsf.net
Name: NSFNet
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.
Address: 10 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138,
Hostname: NNSC.NSF.NET,
Nicknames: NIC.NNSC.NSF.NET, Address: 128.89.1.178,
System: SUN-3/280 running UNI X,
[etc...]
[Rick: Many players noted that during the process of connecting
to this host you get a message that this is a Sun running
Unix. The information above is more specific, and thus
received more points.]
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Extra Credit. (1) Where can I find the exact time?
Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
Answer: the National Bureau of Standards Time Service gives
you the current time as read from the National Bureau of
Standards reference clock in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
Search strategy:
telnet nessie.cc.wwu.edu (username: LIBS)
4. Databases and Information Services
7. Weather/Time/Earthquakes
3. National Bureau of Standards Time Service
Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
HINT (reynolds): Look in comp.protocols.time.ntp. A good
site probably is the United States Naval Observatory.
(rpowers): From the doc file for a PD program call AtomClock:
AtomClock will dial the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington
D.C., read the 1200 BAUD time signal their atomic clock puts
out and set the Amiga system clock accordingly.
The phone # is 1-202-653-0351. I don't know if there is
internet access to this.
(des): The above is not really an "Internet" answer to the
question, as it bypasses the Internet.
I could not find an Internet-site specifically for this, but
the site "louie.udel.edu" is the net-repository for ntp
(Network Time Protocol) software and is itself an ntp server
synchronized to the "exact time" of the atomic-clock:
louie.udel.edu (128.175.1.3)
Location: University of Delaware, Newark, DE
>>> Synchronization: NTP secondary (stratum 2), Vax-11/780/Unix
Service area: NSFNET, SURA region
Access policy: open access
Contact: Dave Mills (mills@udel.edu)
Thus that site certainly should have the correct time. Doing
an anonymous ftp to this site, yields the correct time in
the introductory message:
% ftp louie.udel.edu
Connected to louie.udel.edu.
220-Welcome to the University of Delaware EE/CIS ftp server!
220-
220-Anonymous users:
220-
220- Please do not upload any image files.
220-
220- Please avoid our busy times, 10:00 - 17:00 weekdays.
220- We are on the east coast of the United States.
220- Local time is Thu Jan 7 18:45:59 1993.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(jhawk):
[sun!jhawk] ~> telnet louie.udel.edu daytime
Trying 128.175.1.3 ...
Connected to louie.udel.edu.
Escape character is '^]'.
Thu Jan 7 19:27:41 1993
Connection closed by foreign host.
Rick's Answer
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telnet a2i.rahul.net
login: guest
choose t
and you get a running readout..
>> Current time
Hit ^C to abort...
Thu Jan 21 13:23:40 1993
Thu Jan 21 13:23:41 1993
Thu Jan 21 13:23:42 1993
Thu Jan 21 13:23:43 1993
Thu Jan 21 13:23:44 1993
etc...
choose f for Interesting features and you will find the
following explanation:
The a2i system clock is indirectly traceable to NIST via the Network
Time Protocol. It is usually accurate to within 0.3 seconds. (Select
"t" from the menu to get a second-by-second count.)
Other Answers
-------------
The "exact" time is relative. You can find the time that any
computer on the Internet has by
telnet hostname daytime.
The host india.colorado.edu is supposedly connected to the
NBS reference clock in Colorado Springs. This should be as
"exact" as you need. For example,
telnet india.colorado.edu daytime
gives:
Trying 128.138.140.44 ...
Connected to india.colorado.edu.
Escape character is '^]'.
Sun Jan 10 11:25:22 1993
Connection closed by foreign host.
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Also found with the help of Veronica:
Name=Current Date and Time (Pacific)
Type=0
Port=70
Path=0/computing/ian-testing/give-date
Host=whistler.sfu.ca
or
if you are on a UNIX system use the Network Time Protokol
(NTP) with the appropriate software to have your system time
updated via the net.
-----
Use a time-serving host, e.g. tutimea.tuwien.ac.at, for reference.
[Rick: Another tricky extra credit. I knew the service at
tycho.usno.navy.mil was not working as advertised. The Network
Time Protocol keeps the system clocks up-to-date on most Unix
hosts on the Net. For many folks, the time on their own local
host is as accurate as they could want. I believe the service
mentioned above for the Amiga also has a parallel for Macs over
the network. If I find more info, I'll post it later.]
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Mystery Question
----------------
Howdy, I just saw your latest internet hunt questions, and I
am thinking that you are the right person to ask this question.
I have been trying to locate an online source of the billboard
top 100, or top forty for country,soul or r&b. I know that
billboard magazine is indexed in asap2 which is offered by
Dialog, and I have tried searching it, but no luck, any
suggestions thanks dan mahoney dmahone@hal.unm.edu
Answers
-------
Here is an update on the Billboard charts for the week
ending 12/12/92: Copyright Billboard Magazine (1992)
To see this file try "finger buckmr@aix.rpi.edu".
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ANSWER (nina): anonymous ftp to cs.uwp.edu
look in the directory pub/music/lists/billboard.
(ss): finger buckmr@aix.rpi.edu
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Mystery Question: According to "archie billboard", host
cs.uwp.edu is supposed to have a /pub/music/billboard
directory. Upon FTPing there, I discovered that they no
longer have it. What they do have in /pub/music/info are
the weekly Record & Radio industry top 20's.
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[Rick: This can also be found with a simple veronica search on
the term "billboard". It yields:
--> 1. (dir) Billboard Charts/
--> 9. jan23.1993/
--> 1. CHART: US Top10 (1/23)
]
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