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Article #2042Re: math in physics classes
From: Henry Deemer
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 18:17
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 18:17
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Judy, Amazing! I am all for curriculum integration and cooperating with other disciplines, but since when does the math department (or any other for that matter) dictate how we teach science?? My first inclination would be to remind the math teacher that much of the math was developed with a purpose, not just for the fun of it. Remember Newton and the calculus? Is this person operating under the assumption that physics is a course designed to meet some of the goals of the math curriculu m? Does the math department teach calculus to all the students in physics before the get to physics? If you have that situation you are probably unique. My students normally have only algebra and a little geometry by the time I get them. I have to teach the trig functions before I can teach physics. I'd love to use calculus sometimes, but I'd have to teach that first! If I did I would never get around to teaching any physics. Even if they do have calculus I'd be concerned that the fundamental principles of physics would get so lost because the students would be struggling with the math and would lose sight of the physics. Few high school students are prepared or mature enough to deal with things at the intellectual level required by a calculus-based physics course. For most high school students, the less math the better. I would also be concerned about the methodology. The way I learned it, and the way I teach it, is to study linear motion first. Then 2- and 3-dimensional motion is treated by breaking it down into several 1-dimensional problems - very logical and functional. The law of sines and cosines does not cut it in this approach. It is a nice short cut when adding two vectors, but what happens when you have more that two? Using components always works and introduces some concepts fundamental to the rest of mechanics. It comes back to one basic question to me -- who is the math chairperson to be telling the science department what to do? Sounds to me like there are some politics going on here! If anything I would suggest that the science department should be suggesting to the math department what math skills the students need in order to be prepared to take science courses!! Hank Deemer
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