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Article #2177Re: biology and behavior
From: Jason Seidel
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:00
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:00
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Message-ID: <344CB30E.5300@acsu.buffalo.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:50:06 -0400 From: Jason Seidel <jseidel@acsu.buffalo.edu> Reply-To: jseidel@acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: UB Counseling Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deacon brett jason <z966528@oats.farm.niu.edu> Subject: Re: biology and behavior References: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971020213630.2782A-100000@oats> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Brett. Thanks again for your e-mail. I hope that you didn't find my criticisms too discouraging. I certainly get passionate about this stuff, but I really enjoy talking about it and trying to aid in the dialectic. So, here's just a tiny bit more:-) You wrote: > If someone's biology is screwed up (as in the case of some monozygotic > twins of schizophrenic patients or some sons of male alcoholics), and it is presumed to be screwed up since birth, how can we not at least look for a biological explanation for what is going on? Aren't there some cases where biology dictates experience profoundly more than vice versa? The biology is not assumed to be screwed up since birth, but that the gene expression of alcoholism or schiz gets switched on at critical stress points in the organism/environment interaction (e.g., having one's first ETOH exposure or living away from home for the first time). The _potential_ to be screwed up later under _possible_ circumstances of development that _add_ to one's presumed predisposition is very different from already being screwed up from birth. This is a crucial point because it's the difference between biological fatalism and existential humanism. There are no cases of complex behavior in which biology dictates experience profoundly more than vice versa, because experience _is_ biology. Neuronal function is in networks, and the same neurons have functions in different networks simultaneously (there's no "grandmother" cell, as they say), and since brain function is continuously altered by experience, it is impossible to say either that biology dictates experience or vice versa. They are one and the same, and way too complex to find any root beginning or cause to anything. Tell you the truth, Brett, the whole thing starts to make me feel nauseous just thinking about how we're supposed to answer these questions! You wrote: a consistent finding has been an increased heritability of alcoholism among sons of alcoholic fathers. I meant to say 9X the risk for sons of non-alcoholic men (17.9% vs. 1.9%). I am curious about what methodology, assumptions, and inferences you are talking about. The only inferences I've read in this line of research are that we now know more about the etiology of alcoholism. This is true, although it isn't really saying much since so much of the variance in who becomes an alcoholic is still accounted for by the environment. So even though a disorder has a "biological component," we can't say that it has a "biological cause" or necessarily deserves "biological treatment." Increased heritability does not necessarily mean it happens through a genetic mechanism. It can mean that it is a behavior that is taught within the family. The methodology, assumptions, and inferences I have trouble with are just those: e.g., that heritability and genetic transmission are the same. But they are not, and heritability that occurs through learning is much more easy to change. But when we assume that it is genetic, we start talking about disease and suchlike. Furthermore, I agree with you that since so much of the variance still comes from other factors, we should focus our eyes on those. > > The diagnosis of alcoholism, while incorporating psychosocial > consequences, is based on two biological factors: tolerance and > withdrawal. Tolerance and withdrawal are not biological factors. They are social and environmental factors. Research on the effects of changing environmental conditions on heroin overdose and withdrawal are what substantiate the instruction to the addict to not return to his/her original drug-using environment. This research is quite fascinating as an example of how there is no "internal" versus "external" process in psychology. Everything interacts in a whole. This makes science, from the "logical positivist" tradition, almost impossible to conduct with any kind of relevance to the real world. Blech! In addition, treatment is anything but simple and it often > fails in part because of the biological component of the disorder. By > this I don't mean genetics but instead the effects of chronic alcohol > ingestion on brain functioning. I totally disagree with you here. All treatments for alcoholism are psychosocial. And their effectiveness is not predictable by any internal "biological factors." The effects of chronic alcohol ingestion on brain functioning? What effects? There's no research that I know of linking any brain functioning study as a diagnostic or prognostic tool for any psychological problem, incl. addiction. Again. This is conventional wisdom based on assumptions and politics, not research. You wrote: Most leading alcohol researchers would > laugh at someone that suggested that alcoholics can learn to control > their drinking; such psychological control would be an impossibility due to the disease (the biological component). I personally hate this way of thinking because it assumes way too much homogeneity among alcoholics, while in fact there is incredible heterogeneity, but this is a topic for another day. Absolutely true that most laugh. Nonetheless it is true that controlled drinking is at least as effective as abstinence, even after several years followup. This demonstrates the lack of scientific good faith under which researchers operate. They already "know" that abstinence is required before they ever start research. It is exceedingly difficult and dangerous to even conduct controlled drinking research in the U.S. People endanger their jobs, promotions, and reputations in order to conduct themselves with an open scientific mind to alternative hypotheses. I also agree with your comment about remembering the heterogeneity (about all diagnoses!). > > I think the real issue here is whether human behavior can be broken down > into purely biological terms. My answer, and hopefully that of all > psychologists, is definitely not! To attempt to do so would be an insult > to the vital influences of psychological, social, spiritual, and other > factors on our behavior. However, I think my original point was that we > need to think about considering other explanations, particularly > biological, ones for the phenomena we study. I agree! > My preference > is to approach this issue completely free from any biological > considerations. However, in doing so, I may inadvertently pass over an > important piece of this puzzle. So as a result, I feel obligated to throw > something in the discussion section about "possible biological > explanations for the findings." I don't like this practice, and I think > that for research regarding gender differences and psychopathology, a > discussion on biological factors is a necessity. Herein lies the politics of the matter. No one writing about the biology of alcoholism worries about being slammed for passing over the behavioral or environmental influences on substance abuse. The zeitgeist is with them. I applaud your thoroughness, though. By the way, your comments made a lot of sense. I'm sorry you had a rough week. I hope this one's better, and I hope the tone of my comments does not sound too arrogant and belittling. I just get kinda hot because all this is so near to my heart. Cheers! Jason
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 11317e,1f51e997b1be48ab,start X-Google-Attributes: gid11317e,public From: Jason Seidel <jseidel@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU> Subject: Re: biology and behavior Date: 1997/10/21 Message-ID: <344CB426.57EB@acsu.buffalo.edu> X-Deja-AN: 282213314 Sender: Psychology Graduate Students Discussion Group List <PSYCGRAD@LISTSERV.UOTTAWA.CA> Comments: ******************************************************** Organization: UB Counseling Center Reply-To: jseidel@acsu.buffalo.edu Content-Disposition: inline Newsgroups: bit.listserv.psycgrad