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On Wed, 20 Apr 1994 15:11:16 SAT One of the SCORPIONS said:
>On Tue, 19 Apr 1994 22:43:17 CDT Michael Holmes said:
>>to Hani Al Sumairi  <STUCA1D@SAUPM00>:
>>Hani,
>>      Quit gripping!  Valids has many other things to do on top of Relaying.
>>
>
>    hey , michael .
>too bad that you dont know what are you talking about!! what do you mean
>gripping? what do you mean you can use IRC? do you think i posted that

As defined in Websters New World Dictionary For Young Readers -

gripe (grip) v. *1 to cause or feel sharp pains in the bowels. *2 to annoy
  or irritate: (slang) *3 to complain: (slang) - griped, grip'ing

I believe Michael had meaning #3 in mind, when he used the word.

By using IRC, I believe he meant the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) which is
accessible via Internet, if you have a client program, and the name of a
reliable host server.  The problem with this is :

o  I don't think your node has Internet capabilities yet,
o  Even if you did have Internet capabilities, you would need to find a
   good client program for your system, (good luck)
o  Even then, I think IRC has *SOME* standards.

>so mr. Valdis will allow me again to use relay , i dont need it , i dont
>want it now.  too bad that all you have understood from my reply to Mudar
>and John is a message to let me use relay again , if you did understand
>that then , sorry pal , you're wrong!!! , dont mean to be offensive ,
>all what i did is that i told the truth , the truth that Valdis lied , yes
>he lied , he said that he may give access to me if our operator will give
>me the approval , i did take it , well , what happened?? remember telling
>you that Valdis has lied? Oppps , Valdis is watching :(
>

I don't think you want to *HEAR* the truth.  Your node had been banned once
before for behavior problems on RELAY.  Access was allowed after a period
of time, and the SAME behavioral patterns re-appeared.

Not only were your users being rude via RELAY, failing to abide by the rules,
and harassing female users,  SAUPM00 users were using /na listings to get
userids to send to via DIRECT messages.  This is paramount to picking up a
phone book and making calls at random, or only calling obviously female names.

This is not acceptable in society, and is not acceptable on the networks.

>  Oh , please Valdis , dont send this message to our operator like you
>always do :(, pretty please. Valdis's problem is that he always escapes
>from the truth , he doesnt face it. you want examples? you got it , i bet
>you like stories , first , he didnt reply to my letter here , he didnt face
>the truth , he escaped, second , when he saw the problem of this node he
>didnt face the problem by banning bad users , he escaped by banning the whole
>node. he even escaped from his promises. I DONT GIVE A PAZOKA !!!
>

Once again *YOU* are not facing the truth.  Your node administrator REQUESTED
that your node be banned well before it was actually banned.  Valdis did not
act on this request UNTIL the problems became so severe that it was obvious
your users were not responding to the warnings which are sent with deletes &
punts from RELAY.

If anything you should THANK Valdis for allowing you some tie to prove
yourselves.  You should also direct your anger toward the users at your node
who caused repeated problems on RELAY.  They are the ones to blame for you not
having access to RELAY.  These are the same users who created a MESSAGE EXEC
to bomb me and others with thousands of direct messages, the text of which I
will not repeat here.

>   You are at another node , both bad group and good group here in UPM
>has faced hate from Valdis . this is the truth , you dont know how much
>hate!!! try to take a semester here , tell Valdis you're arabic .
>

Every person has a certain tolerance for annoying things, I think that
level was reached long ago, and even then you were tolerated.  Face the
facts, you folks were allowed to dig your own hole the second time around,
so that there would be NO DOUBT as to what kind of was behavior exhibited on
average by the users at SAUPM00.  I am not saying that all SAUPM00 users
demonstrate the social skills and manners of the ones who landed you where
you are.  I am saying that a very large number of your users where resorting
to misbehavior.

Drop the hate campaign.  I can't speak for Valdis,  but I don't think he
hates anyone on the nets.  You are making this sound like he has a personal
vendetta against all Arab users.

>    i'm arab , very proud , do you think i have friends in Israel why not?
>i have about 25 very nice freinds in USA , Israel , Holland , Germany
>Italy , Wow , i like them all , thanks to relay !!!!!  you'll like this
>story , last week a guy from here tried to kill himself , cuzz he faced
>a big problem with his freind , in his final message he wrote:
>"the only person i hate in earth is Valdis" , i hope my heart knows how to
>hate , well , i'll start hating him right away. he deserves it.
>Oh my god , what have i said?????

This is sad to hear.  It is to easy to pick one person to blame for
everything.  I think you need to look toward yourselves to find the answer.
>
>
>>      Besides, I believe your node was warned several times before being
>>      totally banned. If you and others care about relay then you should
>>      have tried policing your friends on the correct use of relay.
>>
>
>  O yeah , good suggestion , leave my courses and chase bad guys..
>
You still don't see the answer?  If you are *GENUINELY* concerned and valued
your access to RELAY, you would have grouped together to identify the users
who were causing problems.  Who would be best at policing SAUPM00 problem
users than a group of concerned SAUPM00 users?  I surely can't verify
account ownership and registers from here, neither can anyone else who is
not at your site.

>>      And finally, BITNET is dieing.  Texas just pulled the plug on BITnet.
>>      Out of over 350 nodes only about 15-20 remain and those are probably
>>      temporary at best. (yes Aggieland relay is up, but no is on it).
>>      I would suggest that you use IRC. It is much less restricted which
>>      your node should like.
>>
>
>  once again i'm telling you , i dont want relay , i have everything that
>makes me happy *thanks god* , i just wanted to say something to show everyone
>that YES , we have here bad ppl , we also have ppl who can offer love , care
>and attention . we have true friendship , we have good ppl all around. we
>have rights also.  it's not my fault that we have bad ppl , :(. i know we
>are not like ppl in USA where nobody is bad , we're not perfect like you
>guys. god blast us all.
>
I guess if you really don't care, that's the problem.  If some of your users
had cared a little more you would not be banned from RELAY.

You say you have rights.  Yes, you do have rights; however, access to RELAY is
*NOT* a right.  Virginia Tech allows RELAY to run because there is someone
there who sponsors it.  That someone is Valdis, Ron, and some others.
When you access RELAY a remote node, you are essentially a guest on someone
elses machine.

>  PTW , thanx to all ppl who sent me e-mails specially that guy in maine.
>and ppl in europe :):):). love ya all.
>
>        thanx michael
>
>               Hani Al Sumairi
[signature deleted]
Hani, I think you have complained enough.  You continue complaining yet say
nothing.  If RELAY is not that important to you, I would suggest you go back
to your coursework.  We all have better things to do than scan through
more repetitive MAIL files.

Regards,
John

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