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Article #10684Re: positive feedback and parties
From: msa
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 02:45
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 02:45
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Path: panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!swrind e!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!pa ladin.american.edu!auvm!RESTENA.LU!LCSMITH Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU Newsgroups: bit.sci.purposive-behavior MR-Received: by mta MENVAX; Relayed; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 20:02:52 +0100 (MET) Alternate-recipient: prohibited Disclose-recipients: prohibited MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Posting-date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 19:58:00 MET Importance: normal Priority: normal X400-MTS-identifier: [;25200241205991/49714@MENVAX] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 0 Message-ID: <01HN1VL68PFO001F14@menvax.restena.lu> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 19:58:00 MET Sender: "Control Systems Group Network (CSGnet)" <CSG-L@UIUCVMD.BITNET> From: Lars-Christian SMITH +352 67287 <LCSMITH@RESTENA.LU> Subject: Re: positive feedback and parties Lines: 19 From: [Marc S. Abrams (950214.1900)] To: [Lars Christian Smith (950214 16700 CET)] To: James Wilk (950209.1737), Dag Forssell Re: Control leading to positive feedback in non-controlled variables Lars Asked: I don't have a copy of _The Fifth Discipline_ here, but didn't Peter Senge have a set of diagrams defining various "archetypes" of systemic interactions leading to positive feedback? Marc said: Yes he did, both in _The Fifth Discipline_ and the subsequent _Field Book_. Lars Stated: Presumably this could be useful as a diagnostic, i.e. on could say that a process is of "type X". Marc Responded: The original intention of the diagrams was to help teach _System Dynamics_ at MIT. Dan Kim (publisher of _The Systems Thinker) expanded upon the original concept and utilized the diagrams as a diagnostic tool. The jury is still out. The main critisism of the archetypes is that people try to "shoe horn" the problem to fit the model. Lars Asked: Whose work is it anyway? I presume it is not Senge's. Is it useful? Marc Answer: See above. I personally believe that systems thinking is a very useful set of skills, especially within the framework of PCT. Unfortunately, all of those systems thinkers out there are generally unaware of the existence of PCT. Maybe we can help change that. I know I am going to give it a shot. Lars, or anyone else, if you want more info on this stuff, zip me a line and I'll get off some references and ftp sites. Marc Best, Lars
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