🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: bit.sci.purposive-behavior
Article #241

Re: Rushton et al.

#241
From: Richard Marken
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:00
42 lines
2161 bytes
[From Rick Marken (990421.0900)]

Me:

> Real engineers who design real control systems have used control
> theory to study humans as S-R devices; these same engineers have
> dismissed PCT because they know that control systems control
> objective variables in the environment, not their own perceptions.
> These engineers are not students. Do they understand control
> theory?

Bruce Gregory (990421.1000 EDT) --

> Do the control systems they design work?

This is another non-sequiter. Did the bridges designed by
the engineers who lived before Newton work?

> Since there are many more of them than there are of us

"Us"???

> Each model seems to works adequately for the modeler.

The control engineer who rejected my paper on controlled
variables did so for the following three reasons: 1) control
systems are more properly viewed as controlling objective
states of affairs, not perceptions 2) the presentation of
control theory was way too elementary and 3) psychologists
already know all about controlled variables anyway. Would say
that this fellow  understands control theory perfectly well
because it "works for him". Isn't it possible that there
might be a fundamental flaw in this person's understanding of
control theory, even though it "works for him"?

Best

Rick
---
Richard S. Marken                 Phone or Fax:  310 474-0313
Life Learning Associates         e-mail: rmarken@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~rmarken
Technical Details
Message-ID: <371DF691.AD218F14@earthlink.net>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!unknown!not-for-mail
References: <000501be8bff$fa02c740$b7908e83@harvard.edu>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit
X-Google-Thread: f6c09,1c0f6ccaf72ec005,start
X-Google-Attributes: gidf6c09,public
From: Richard Marken <rmarken@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Re: Rushton et al.
Date: 1999/04/21
Message-ID: <371DF691.AD218F14@earthlink.net>
X-Deja-AN: 469178210
Sender: "Control Systems Group Network (CSGnet)" <CSGNET@POSTOFFICE.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
References: <000501be8bff$fa02c740$b7908e83@harvard.edu>
X-Accept-Language: en
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Organization: Life Learning Associates
MIME-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: bit.sci.purposive-behavior