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Started by Abbott, Bruce
Thu, 06 May 1999 00:00
Re: The Opposition
Author: Abbott, Bruce
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 00:00
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 00:00
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[From Bruce Abbott (990506.1715 EST)] Bill Powers (990506.1225 MDT) -- >Obviously this is not true [the matching law] when the actual experiment >involves keys with different schedules on them. Sorry, Bill, but I must remind you once again that the matching law does not and was never meant to describe the relationship between relative rate of responding and relative rate of reinforcement on concurrent ratio schedules. >However, the data will still fit the equations >plus or minus some variations, so one can say, "See? There's a tendency >toward matching!" In the cases for which the matching law was developed, there is NO (I repeat, NO) necessary relationship between the left and right terms of the equation, and experimental error is not so great that matching could not be discriminated from other patterns involving systematic deviations from matching. It is simply not true that because of experimental variation, one can always claim that some "tendency toward matching" was obtained. >In fact, the only case in which the equations correctly >describe the experiment is when the ratios are in fact equal on all keys. >for any other combinations of schedules, the equations are simply false. The above indicates clearly that you are thinking of ratio schedules only, because you assert that the equations would be false "for any other combination of schedules." This statement can be true only if, for each schedule, the ratio of responses to reinforcements is fixed by the schedule, or if responding takes place exclusively on one key. Applying the matching law to concurrent ratio schedules is like applying Boyle's Law to liquids. In either case, no one will be surprised to find that the law fails to hold. Regards, Bruce
Re: The Opposition
Author: Bill Powers
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 00:00
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 00:00
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[From Bill Powers (990506.2-004 MDT)] Bruce Abbott (990506.1715 EST)] >Sorry, Bill, but I must remind you once again that the matching law does not >and was never meant to describe the relationship between relative rate of >responding and relative rate of reinforcement on concurrent ratio schedules. But in the post to which I replied that is how it was described. That's what the equations say, when you reduce them to simplest form. I don't care what they were "meant" to describe. Many a person has foundered because of not realizing what his own mathematical manipulations imply. Perhaps in reality there is some other relationship involved, but my transformations of the cited equations are exactly correct, and the original set of equations says the same thing -- identically the same thing -- that my final version does: Ra/rA = Rb/rB. Unless you can repeal mathematics, no other conclusion is possible. The best I can say is that whatever Herrnstein was trying to express, his equations don't say it. I think I know what Herrnstein was trying to say. He wanted to say that given a choice of keys with different schedules, the animal will devote the most time to the schedules that yield the greatest average ratio of reinforcement to behavior. He may have thought that his equations were saying this, but they were not. Instead, his equations say that the yield of reinforcements per unit behavior is the same on all keys. He simply didn't know how to write out, mathematically, the idea he was trying to express. What he did write down says something very different from what he wanted to say. And evidently he wasn't enough of an algebraist to realize that his complex-looking forms can actually be reduced to a much simpler form that make his mistake easy to see. I suspect that the mistake goes deeper than this, but the proof or disproof would take more thought than I have given it. Best, Bill P.
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