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28 total messages Started by Blake Young Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:36
TIdSMTP with gmail
#3354
Author: Blake Young
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:36
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I am having some difficulty getting SMTP to work with Gmail.  I know that 
this can be done, because I used to have my Outlook client configured to 
send and receive Gmail (via STMP and POP3), and the server/port/options to 
make such a connection are listed on the Gmail help pages.  However, I 
cannot get the connection to work in my program.  Prior to this my program 
worked fine because I used another SMTP server, but it has since been 
disconnected so I need to use Gmail.  Here is the code:

SMTPClient->AuthenticationType = atLogin;
SMTPClient->Host = "smtp.gmail.com";
SMTPClient->Password = <PASSWORD>
SMTPClient->Port = 465;
SMTPClient->UserId = "young.blake@gmail.com";
SMTPClient->Connect();
SMTPClient->Send(EmailMessage);
SMTPClient->Disconnect();

The problem is that the program just hangs on the Connect() line 
indefinitely.  While hanging, however, I ran netstat and saw that a 
connection to the smtp.gmail.com server was made.  I tried adding the Send() 
command to the OnConnected event handler, and this handler method WAS 
executed, but then the program hung AGAIN on the Send() command.  When I was 
using my previous SMTP server, I did not need the OnConnected handler.  The 
Connect() method would return after a connection was made, and everything 
would follow sequentially.
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3355
Author: Blake Young
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:39
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Any chance we can get a moderator to edit/remove or put a placeholder for my 
username/email address?  I put it in without thinking.
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3356
Author: Hans Galema
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:05
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Blake Young wrote:
> Any chance we can get a moderator to edit/remove or put a placeholder for my 
> username/email address?  I put it in without thinking. 

With your emailreader you can delete the message.

Then change and post again.

Hans.
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3360
Author: Remy Lebeau (TeamB)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:03
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"Hans Galema" <notused@notused.nl> wrote in message
news:435d3e26$1@newsgroups.borland.com...

> With your emailreader you can delete the message.

Users do not have access to delete messages from this newsserver.


Gambit
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3361
Author: Remy Lebeau (TeamB)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:04
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"Blake Young" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:435d2919$1@newsgroups.borland.com...

> I am having some difficulty getting SMTP to work with Gmail.

GMail requires SSL.  Did you attach an SSL-enabled IOHandler to TIdSMTP
before connecting?


Gambit
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3363
Author: Jonathan Benedicto
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:33
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Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote:
> Users do not have access to delete messages from this newsserver.

Can we cancel our messages though ?

Jonathan
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3362
Author: Hans Galema
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:36
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Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote:
> "Hans Galema" <notused@notused.nl> wrote in message
> news:435d3e26$1@newsgroups.borland.com...
> 
>>With your emailreader you can delete the message.
> 
> Users do not have access to delete messages from this newsserver.

They do. To demonstrate this I just removed the post where
you replied to.

Hans.
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3364
Author: Blake Young
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:46
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> GMail requires SSL.  Did you attach an SSL-enabled IOHandler to TIdSMTP
> before connecting?

I am guessing this means I'll need Indy 10.  I tried installing it at one 
point, was it was a total nightmare so I've always tried to get by with Indy 
8.
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3366
Author: Remy Lebeau (TeamB)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:59
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"Jonathan Benedicto" <incorrect@no.server> wrote in message
news:435d6ea1@newsgroups.borland.com...

> Can we cancel our messages though ?

That is the same thing as deleting messages, and no, users do not have
access to do that.  Only Borland's admins can remove messages from this
server.


Gambit
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3367
Author: Remy Lebeau (TeamB)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:01
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"Blake Young" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:435d718a@newsgroups.borland.com...

> I am guessing this means I'll need Indy 10.

Indy 9 also supports SSL.

> I tried installing it at one point, was it was a total nightmare
> so I've always tried to get by with Indy 8.

Indy 8 is a very old version that is no longer supported.  You should
seriously consider upgrading to Indy 9 at the least.


Gambit
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3369
Author: Blake Young
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:22
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Ok, so I'm trying to install Indy 10.  I have read the instructions on the 
Indy website, but please advise.  So far, I have done the following:

1) In IDE, go to Component | Install Packages and select the Indy entry in 
the Design Packages list and select Remove.
2) Manually search through every single subdirectory of my CBuilder6 
directory and remove any and all instances of Indy files.

After having done this, I can start up CBuilder6 with no problems (i.e. no 
"can't find indy*.* error) and the Indy entries are removed from the 
component palette.  Good so far.  Now, actually installing Indy 10 is 
turning into a pain.  First of all, I have downloaded two zip files with 
source code.  I downloaded a Development Snapshot (indy10.zip) and 
indy10.0.52_source.zip.  I would prefer installing the latter, since I don't 
like messing with possibly buggy dev snapshots.  Inside 
indy10.0.52_source.zip are the four primary folders, and per the 
instructions, I tried to compile System first.  The only way I know to do 
this is to open BCB, go to File | Open and select IndySystem60.dpk from the 
System directory (I was expecting a bpk or bpl file, but there are none). 
Once the file is opened, however, I see no option for compiling.  For the 
heck of it, I tried running the FullC6.bat file from the Dev Snapshot, but I 
received an error saying "computil" is an unrecognized command or filename. 
This will be the third or fourth time I've tried installing Indy 10, and I 
don't want to give up this time.  Thanks.
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3370
Author: Remy Lebeau (TeamB)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 02:49
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"Blake Young" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:435d8807$1@newsgroups.borland.com...

> Manually search through every single subdirectory of
> my CBuilder6 directory and remove any and all instances
> of Indy files.

That is not adequate enough.  Please read the Knowledge Base more carefully.
There are files stored elsewhere on the machine that would need to be
removed as well.

> actually installing Indy 10 is turning into a pain.

Indy 10 does not officially support BCB6 at this time.

> I would prefer installing the latter, since I don't like messing
> with possibly buggy dev snapshots.

The latter is a very old build that hasn't been updated in over a year.  The
snapshot is the best build to get.

> Inside indy10.0.52_source.zip are the four primary folders, and per
> the instructions, I tried to compile System first.  The only way I know
> to do this is to open BCB, go to File | Open and select IndySystem60.dpk
> from the System directory (I was expecting a bpk or bpl file, but there
> are none). Once the file is opened, however, I see no option for
compiling.

BCB cannot compile Delphi packages.  You will have to use the command-line
Delphi compiler for that.  Or else create new BCB-generated packages and
then move the source code over to them.


Gambit
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3371
Author: Jonathan Benedicto
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 02:52
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Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote:
> That is the same thing as deleting messages, and no, users do not have
> access to do that.  Only Borland's admins can remove messages from
> this server.

Oh, ok thank you.

Jonathan
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3372
Author: Blake Young
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 04:40
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Getting closer.  First, I ran the dcc32 compiler on "computil.dpr" to 
generate computil.exe.  Then, I ran fullc6.bat and everything appeared to 
work.  A directory called C6 was created which contained bpl, dcp, and dcu 
files.  However, I checked before and after running fullc6.bat, and no lib, 
hpp, or obj files were created.  I tried to just continue normally by 
starting the IDE, going to Component | Install package | Add and selecting 
dclIndyCore60.bpl.  I added the .dcu path to the Library Path, but I didn't 
know what to do about the hpp path, since no hpp files were created.  To 
test it out, I added a antifreeze component and tried to compile, but I 
received an error saying "Unable to find static library: IndyCore60.lib" 
(this file exists nowhere on my computer).  I just clicked Cancel and began 
to receive a barrage of "Unable to find package import: IndyCore60" 
messages.  After finally cancelling enough times, I shut down and restarted 
BCB.  Upon doing so, I noticed that the Indy components were gone from the 
palette.  I went back to Component | Install package and noticed that the 
Indy entry (Indy 10 Core Design Time) was unchecked.  When I tried to check 
it, I got an error saying "The application has failed to start because 
IndySystem60.bpl was not found" followed by "Can't load package 
dclIndyCore60.bpl."  The same thing happens if I try to load 
dclIndyProtocols60...every time I restart the entries are unchecked and the 
error messages pop up when I try to enable them.

Thanks for the help so far...I've never gotten this far before.
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3373
Author: Hans Galema
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:44
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Jonathan Benedicto wrote:
> Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote:
> 
>>That is the same thing as deleting messages, and no, users do not have
>>access to do that.  Only Borland's admins can remove messages from
>>this server.
> 
> Oh, ok thank you.

Huh ?

Everybody can delete/cancel his own messages (using a newsreader).

I did already demonstrate that in this thread.

And I am not a Borland admin.

Hans.
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3374
Author: Steve Aletto
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:00
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> Huh ?
>
> Everybody can delete/cancel his own messages (using a 
> newsreader).

Please move to the .test group. I posted a message titled "Can I 
delete this?". Then I deleted it and I don't see it anymore. But 
can you still read it? Just wondering, I'm not sure I really 
deleted it from the server (I'm almost sure I did not).

Steve.
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3375
Author: Hans Galema
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:52
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Steve Aletto wrote:

> Please move to the .test group. I posted a message titled "Can I 
> delete this?". Then I deleted it and I don't see it anymore. But 
> can you still read it? Just wondering, I'm not sure I really 
> deleted it from the server (I'm almost sure I did not).

If the original post has contents:

Can I delete this?

Steve.

then it is still there.

As liz confirmed deleting is quite possible for own messages.

Maybe you have to use a real newsreader instead of OE ? <g>

Hans.
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3176
Author: Bob Gonder
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:05
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Hans Galema wrote:

>They do. To demonstrate this I just removed the post where
>you replied to.

Please see this (which may wrap)
http://groups.google.com/group/borland.public.cppbuilder.internet.socket/browse_thread/thread/9b5278719412006b/4ef59c95ef883095?lnk=st&q=TIdSMTP+with+gmail&rnum=1#4ef59c95ef883095

Or tiny...
http://tinyurl.com/9l62r
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3177
Author: Steve Aletto
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:05
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> Maybe you have to use a real newsreader instead of OE ? <g>

Maybe... but we're still doing some tests. Would you kindly post 
and then delete a message in the .test group?

Steve.
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3178
Author: Steve Aletto
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:09
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>>They do. To demonstrate this I just removed the post where
>>you replied to.
>
> Please see this (which may wrap)
> http://groups.google.com/group/borland.public.cppbuilder.internet.socket/browse_thread/thread/9b5278719412006b/4ef59c95ef883095?lnk=st&q=TIdSMTP+with+gmail&rnum=1#4ef59c95ef883095

If I understood correctly, that's what I'm trying to explain. 
They don't see the posts in _their_ newsreader, but they're 
still on the server.

Steve.
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3179
Author: Jonathan Benedicto
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:14
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Hans Galema wrote:
> Everybody can delete/cancel his own messages (using a newsreader).

That is what I thought. I've done it before, only haven't seen the results 
because OE kept the message after it was cancelled.

Jonathan
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3180
Author: Hans Galema
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:24
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Bob Gonder wrote:

> Please see this (which may wrap)

> http://tinyurl.com/9l62r

That is Google's cache.

See here where my message is no more there:
http://newsgroups.borland.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?cmd=xover&group=borland.public.cppbuilder.internet.socket&utag=
or
http://tinyurl.com/ckscp

Hans.
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3181
Author: Bob Gonder
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:41
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Hans Galema wrote:

>That is Google's cache.

Yep.
Canceling a post doesn't help much if the sensitive data has already
escaped into the wild.
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3182
Author: Steve Aletto
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:44
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> They don't see the posts in _their_ newsreader, but they're 
> still on the server.

Nope. They're right instead. See .test group.

Steve.
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3183
Author: Hans Galema
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:53
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Bob Gonder wrote:
> Hans Galema wrote:
>>That is Google's cache.
> 
> Yep.
> Canceling a post doesn't help much if the sensitive data has already
> escaped into the wild.

Wild Google. How to empty it's cache ? ;-).

Hans.
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3189
Author: Hans Galema
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:28
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Jonathan Benedicto wrote:
>>Everybody can delete/cancel his own messages (using a newsreader).
> 
> That is what I thought. I've done it before, only haven't seen the results 
> because OE kept the message after it was cancelled.

As Jeff Overcash (TeamB) in borland.public.test stated you can only
delete your own message if post and cancel come from the same IP.

So you need a fixed IP address or post a cancel message in the
same dialup session.

Apparently the newsserver checks those IP's.

Hans.
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3190
Author: Jonathan Benedicto
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:40
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Hans Galema wrote:
> As Jeff Overcash (TeamB) in borland.public.test stated you can only
> delete your own message if post and cancel come from the same IP.

Thank you for the confirmation.

Jonathan
Re: TIdSMTP with gmail
#3195
Author: Blake Young
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:06
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Nevermind.  I went with Indy9 instead.  Installed perfectly.
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