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: Matthijs Laan <matthijsln@nospam-remove.xs4all.nl> wrote:

>I found out about the debugging issue shortly after the Delphi 6 demo was 
>released. I actually submitted a bug report about it, so Borland should 
>know about it.

Just out of curiosity: When was that (month/year, roughly) and where
exactly did you report that?

I suppose that you did not use http://qc.borland.com/ ?

As far as I heard gossips, Borland licensed Intel asm compiler (parser).
If so,  no wonder it has problems with AMD specific ops :)

Nah, you will not see any more (except existing) patches for D6.
While the company changed its name back to something of original, it is
Inprise by its spirit, so it does not care about us - Programmers.

Those "On click" enterprise folks - it is target.

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> As far as I heard gossips, Borland licensed Intel asm compiler (parser).
> If so,  no wonder it has problems with AMD specific ops :)

After looking at the bug reports, it seems that SSE and MMX are affected
too (there was no report on 3DNow!)...

Eric Grange
http://glscene.org

: Eric Grange <egrange@glscene.org> wrote:

>> As far as I heard gossips, Borland licensed Intel asm compiler (parser).
>> If so,  no wonder it has problems with AMD specific ops :)
>
>After looking at the bug reports, it seems that SSE and MMX are affected
>too (there was no report on 3DNow!)...

Andrew is spreading (false) rumors about the inline assembler. He does
not talk about the debugger's disassembler.

> Andrew is spreading (false) rumors about the inline assembler.

Well, as someone (with internal knowledge) say at last, those rumors are false,
I will not spread them any more.

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> Did this apply to all 3DNow! instructions? The "basic" ones (<= K6)?
> The "extended" ones (> K6)? Which kind of "indirection" specifically?

Basic K6 supported ones (not 3DNow! pro), and I would say one of the PFxxx
ones or prefetch(w).
The indirection was of the "[someRegister+integerOffset]" kind IIRC.

I'll try to scout my archives to see if something remains from around
the date Delphi6 was released and what I was coding at that time.

Eric

> Andrew is spreading (false) rumors about the inline assembler.

I wasn't really believing the "Intel asm compiler" anyway :)

Eric

: Eric Grange <egrange@glscene.org> wrote:

>I'll try to scout my archives to see if something remains from around
>the date Delphi6 was released and what I was coding at that time.

I had a look at all 3DNow! instructions (included the Pro ones) and
could not find any problems. 

IOW, if there is a problem, I don't see it and absolutely need the exact
assembler source instruction that may not be correctly assembled.

Note that I do not have access to an AMD CPU, so I have rely on what
three different disassemblers tell me.

> Note that I do not have access to an AMD CPU, so I have rely on what
> three different disassemblers tell me.

Just curious, - what disassemblers do you use?

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: "Andrew Rybenkov" <arybenkov@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> Note that I do not have access to an AMD CPU, so I have rely on what
>> three different disassemblers tell me.
>
>Just curious, - what disassemblers do you use?

A variety of free disassemblers, including one written by myself.

> A variety of free disassemblers, including one written by myself.

What do you think about IDA?

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Stefan Hoffmeister wrote:

> A variety of free disassemblers, including one written by myself.

Well then it wasn't free now was it?  Or do you consider your time to have
zero value?

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: Robert Lee <rhlee@optimalcode.com> wrote:

>Stefan Hoffmeister wrote:
>
>> A variety of free disassemblers, including one written by myself.
>
>Well then it wasn't free now was it?  Or do you consider your time to have
>zero value?

Considering that the opportunity cost for writing the disassembler was
very close to zero, I suppose that writing it was "free".

> Well then it wasn't free now was it?  Or do you consider your time to have
> zero value?

maybe he did it for pleasure.

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: "Andrew Rybenkov" <arybenkov@hotmail.com> wrote:

>But, trial it, plz.

What for? I cannot afford it and once I have managed to collect some
funds, there is software (like VMware) that I need more.

Please understand that I don't say that IDA is good or bad - I simply
don't want to spend time on finding out because realistically I won't be
able to use it.

Stefan Hoffmeister <no@email.here> wrote:
|
|The only IDA I am aware of is a commercial product, and I do not have
|any funds at my disposal that would allow me to purchase it, so I have
|never seen the point in even evaluating it.

The current version of IDA, 4.30, is indeed commercial.  There is a
freeware version, currently 4.1, that is (obviously) free.  The
license has no restrictions as to usage.  It only recognizes up to D4.

Phil

Aren't you working for a software company somewhere? Then you should earn
bunchloads of money..

-Atle

: "Atle Smelv�r" <atle@datagrafikk.no> wrote:

Since software companies - as any company - look for competence and
results, and not arrogant, aggressive hot air this ...

>[...] Then you should earn bunchloads of money..

is never going to happen.