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Re: Java and the next generation of Windows

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From: Torsten Welches
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:42
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John,

I, too, started to read the C# and .Net specs and finally downloaded the
.Net SDK beta on Friday. What followed was a typical Windows episode, I'll
tell it for everybodys amusement:

All I wanted was toying around with C# - so I needed a command line compiler
and a runtime. Not so, your only chance is to download the complete SDK
(111MB!) or order it on CD. Ok, being impatient by nature I downloaded the
whole enchilada anyway and tried to install it on my home PC - the installer
informed me, that she can't install because my NT system is lacking the
latest Service Pack. Hhm, fine, I can somewhat understand the fact that the
latest SP would be needed so on to the next download. Meanwhile I grabbed my
notebook (W2K) and tried it there - heck, this installer again: now she told
me that IE5.5 was needed! Holy cow - all I wanted to do is compiling and
running C# code, why would I want to install IE5.5 for that? I searched for
a IE5.5 CD but did not find one. Back at my PC I went to the IE homepage but
all I found was an install that required a Internet connection. So my
notebook was out - no Internet connection available. When I finally had
IE5.5 on my PC the installation went through. Oh well.

Let me make it clear that this has nothing to do with the quality or
relevance of .Net/C#.
.Net is likely to change the whole picture for a Windows developer and C#
sure is a worthwhile language.

I for one am quite happy about .Net/C# because it puts preasure on Sun and
that's per se a good thing. If you are doing Windows apps exclusively it has
always been questionable if Java is the easiest way to go. Delphi or
C++Builder are probably better suited for this, even Visual C++, although
the MFC are a royal PITA.
I have only looked at .Net for some hours now, so I won't comment on the
technicals yet.

I'm doing my money with Java and I don't have the faintest doubts that I
will continue to do so for some more years to come. .Net is beta and Java
has grown to be the defacto standard in the enterprise area. Java still has
numerous problems and .Net will help to solve them, if you know what I mean.

These are my two cents so far, I'm looking forward to reading other opinions
about it.

Regards,
Torsten





John Spurlin schrieb in Nachricht <3ae24094_2@dnews>...
>Have any of you toyed with the .Net Beta?  I just installed it, and have
>only paroused the features.  What on earth is the futuer of Java now?  I
was
>browsing magazines at a local book store and I saw a Linux publication with
>an article about Sun's trepidatious venture into the open source movement.
>There was a caustic quote in this article that went something to the effect
>( referring to the arduous litigation between MS and Sun ) that "Microsoft
>killed Java".  Y'all, the next generation of programming tools from MS is a
>heavy, heavy hitter.  I am familiar with VB, VC++, and certainly intend to
>get aquainted with C# - I am not that well informed, but the future of Java
>in the realm of Windows does not look bright... at all.  Any comments?
>
>
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